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Written by Olin Coles   
Friday, 22 October 2010
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3D Platform Wars: NVIDIA vs AMD vs HDTV
NVIDIA's Official Response
AMD's Official Response

NVIDIA's Official Response

This is NVIDIA's official response to our article, attributed to Phil Eisler, general manager of NVIDIA 3D Vision:

"At NVIDIA we believe that relying on 3rd parties to develop drivers for your chip leads to inherent delays, inefficiencies, instability and non-compatibility. At NVIDIA, the development of S3D drivers is not separated from regular 3D drivers, it is an integrated team. The QA is integrated and the content technology team reaching out to game developers is integrated. This is a huge undertaking involving hundreds of engineers that is beyond the reach of small wrapper companies. Only through an in-house, integrated S3D driver team are we able to bring gamers 475+ of the latest games in S3D like StarCraft II. Furthermore, we are able to exploit the full capabilities of our GPU so that S3D can be enjoyed with DX-9, DX-10 and DX-11 based games and not be restricted to DX-9 level offered by 3rd party wrappers.

Honestly, we would like to see AMD put a more serious effort into S3D because it is a fantastic gaming experience and clearly the future of gaming. In this case a rising tide lifts all boats. The goal and the opportunity is to let all gamers experience their worlds in stereoscopic 3D in an easy, reliable and affordable way. AMD owes more to their gaming customers than to say send $49.95 to a 3rd party driver company, turn off DX-11, install the wrapper on top of our driver and hope that it works. We would like to see AMD invest in an in-house S3D driver team, because long term this is the only way to offer gamers a reliable, integrated driver that keeps up with the latest games and graphics technology.

NVIDIA has been investing for the last five years in the development of 3D technology, and we just reached a milestone of support for 1,000 products in the 3D Vision ecosystem, including games, monitors, 3DTVs, notebooks, All-in-Ones, video apps, photo apps, cameras and web applications. By most definitions, a very open ecosystem with lots of choice. We don't see a platform war between gaming on a monitor versus a TV. In fact, NVIDIA supports both. 3D Vision for 3D gaming on a PC monitor (today in 22, 23 and 24" sizes) or notebook computer (15.6" and 17.3" sizes) and 3DTV Play for 3D gaming on a big screen TV (42 - 65" sizes). Most gamers and households today don't make choices between these devices, they have all of them. They choose the platform to play based on the game that they are playing, the location that they are at and the mood that they are in. Desktop monitors provide the best single-user, lean forward gaming experience for serious games and users. 3DTV Play adds to the experience for GeForce owners, because now they can connect their PC or notebook to a 3DTV and enjoy the 475+ 3D games that we support on a big screen when they play with family and friends.

NVIDIA continues to evaluate glasses-free technology, but at the moment the resolution loss and limited viewing angle make for a poor experience compared to active shutter glasses. The large investors in 3D R&D: Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, and NVIDIA have all come to the same conclusion that 120Hz active shutter glasses offer the best full HD, wide-viewing-angle stereoscopic 3D experience for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile newer, more affordable 120Hz 3D Vision monitors, notebooks and glasses are available, so we highly recommend that you jump into the amazing stereoscopic 3D gaming experience created by a well designed and supported 3D game and driver. We're already testing Call of Duty: Black Ops in 3D and you're going to love it!"



# RE: 3D Platform Wars: NVIDIA vs AMD vs HDTVJack 2010-10-21 19:24
I cannot even find the quad buffer API on AMD's developer's website!
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# no compatabilityJack Two 2010-11-02 14:43
This is what really bugs me..Supposing you invest in the 120hz 3d vision monitors, it works for for the pc for sure. Plug in a PS3 which is now 3d capable, games, blue ray just ready to go, and will it work? er no. Why Not? Nobody it seems can give a plausible answer, the monitors are 120hz, they have hdmi prolly the wrong sort, but again why? ...Deeply deeply frustrating.
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# RE: no compatabilityOlin Coles 2010-11-02 14:46
Here's why: the monitor doesn't come with paired glasses, and depends on NVIDIA 3D Vision, which the Sony PS3 does not support. If there was a monitor out there that came with its own glasses, it would work with the PS3.
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# RE: no compatabilityBrian 2011-03-08 09:26
The current 3D solutions from nvidia require dual link DVI( or there software for viewing on 3D TVs through Hdmi) for enougth bandwidth to deliver 3D Content , the reason older 120Hz Pc displays dont work with the ps3 in 3D(using an Hdmi conection)is the fact the displays dont understand the Hdmi 1.4 3D frame packing format (3D TVs Do)there are now monitors coming on the market that do understand the Hdmi 1.4 3D frame packing they work fine with the ps3 and I will assume those displays will sync the 3D glasses as well or come with an emitter of some sort, I am also assuming Dual link DVI will suport higher resolutions and frame rates then Hdmi 1.4 even with frame packing.
Acer GN245HQ is one of the first pc displays that suports 3D over hdmi and will work with bluray players ps3 etc sure many more to follow.
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# RE: no compatabilityBrian perkins 2011-12-24 18:27
The diffrence is in how the 3D content is delivered to the monitor, 3D vision requires Dual link DVI(and displayport as well soon,( I am told the hdmi interface simply is not fast enougth (HDMI is equivlent to single link DVI) to deliver that much content at that speed and graphics detail, 3D over hdmi is delivered at 24 FPS at 1080P I also told 720 P HDMI can handle 60 FPC, yet no pc gamer wants to set there Resolution that low, there are now monitors on the market that DO suport 3D over HDMI from a PS3 they have been updated to handle 3D over hdmi 1.4 with HDCP suport.
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# RE: no compatabilityJack Two 2010-11-02 15:44
"and depends on NVIDIA 3D Vision,which the Sony PS3 does not support." and no other firm's 3d blue ray player as well. They are charging a huge premium for the 120hz 3d monitors, but the hdmi spec is old (no BR compatible 1.4), and no cheap as chips transmitter in the monitor. I thought, that when the industry came to an agreement on a 3d standard, everyone would fall into line, which helps consumer confidence, but Nvidia comes out with a different standard, Sky and LG, something else, AMD uses 3rd party something else, and ppl dont buy because nothing is compatable.
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# RE: RE: no compatabilityOlin Coles 2010-11-02 15:53
I'm confused by your statement. Are you saying that 120Hz monitors will not support 3D Blu-ray playback, or that 3D Vision does not support it? I've experienced both first hand, so please clarify.
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# RE4Jack Two 2010-11-03 15:15
I'm simply saying that if you plug in a ps3 and try a 3d game or BR it wont work. If you plug in a Samsung, Panasonic or any other 3d BR player, it wont work. I understand that if you have a br drive in your pc, it should work, but i have no proof of this, because afaik, 3d br spec states that you must have hdmi 1.4 for it to work. BTW, my monitor is a crt mitsubishi diamond pro 17", and have 2 pairs of still working 3d shutter glasses. I would just love to upgrade to a nice 24" LCD 120 HZ,but i'm not going to, not untill one of them takes a ps3, and displays it in 3d.
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# RE: RE4Olin Coles 2010-11-03 15:56
If you have a 3D Blu-ray disc movie played on the PS3 and displayed on a 3D HDTV with bundled glasses, it works. If you have a PC with NVIDIA GeForce video card, Blu-ray Disc player, and either 3D HDTV or 120Hz monitor with 3D Vision, it works.

Unlike you, I've conducted tests on both first-hand to confirm this.
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# RE5Jack Two 2010-11-04 14:43
This is going nowhere fast, I totally agree with what you just said. What I'm saying is this, and for the final time: A pc 120hz 3d monitor is not compatable with a ps3 playing 3d games or ps3 3d BR. Also, a pc 120hz 3d monitor is not compatable with any other home cinema BR player. Also a pc 120hz 3d monitor is not compatable with the UK's SKY 3d tv service.
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# RE: RE5Brian perkins 2011-12-24 18:32
Simply stated that was once true , newer 3D capable monitors are out that DO suport HDMI 1.4 and are 3D over HDMI Compatable.
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# RE: 3D Platform Wars: NVIDIA vs AMD vs HDTVOlin Coles 2010-11-04 15:10
OH! Yes, the PS3 won't work with any 120Hz monitors at the moment, because none of them come with bundled 3D glasses. The only other choice is the 3D Vision kit, which doesn't work with the PS3 either.

The problem with 3D Blu-ray over HDMI 1.4a is that it supports 1080p 24Hz, 720p 60Hz, and 720p 50Hz. Although I haven't tested it first-hand, NVIDIA's 3DTV Play software is supposed to fix this (for GeForce video cards). Hopefully 3D BD players will follow.
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# RE: 3D Platform Wars: NVIDIA vs AMD vs HDTVH C Forde 2011-02-03 07:48
Seems like I am late to this party as this thread has been 'dead' for a couple of months.

The real issue is that 120Hz HDTV's and 120Hz computer monitors are VERY diffferent. They are controlled by different regulating entities and 120Hz means diferent things to the both of them. At this point in time ther is no convergence. 120Hz monitors can accept a 120Hz signal from outside sources. A 120Hz TV creates the 120Hz internally from the 60HZ signal it is limited to from outside devices by creating additional frames. Why 120HZ? because it is equally divisible by 24frames and 30(29.97)frames which are standards set by the TV and film industry. Computer monitors are NOT regulated by the same standards.
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# RE: 3D Platform Wars: NVIDIA vs AMD vs HDTVBrian 2011-12-24 14:22
I had 3d 10 years ago atleast.. The old crt monitors had no problems displaying well above 120hz
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# 3d 120hzJames 2012-01-03 22:51
Just got a Toshiba 42inch 3D TV/monitor with for sets of polarized glasses. Excellent even has great net TV also. It produces a real 120hz and produces 240hz internally and runs all 3D over HDMI just fine including frame packing 3D. It uses built in tridef to create instant 2d to 3d conversion of any content even works on old movies and games and 3d worlds that are not stereoscopic making them true 3d. Even polarized glasses I got from watching 3d movies at imax and the movies work fine. So ps3, nvidia and amd systems should all work fine.

Also from talking to amd any monitor with 120hz and a 1.4 or above HDMI will work.
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# RE: 3D Platform Wars: NVIDIA vs AMD vs HDTVH C Forde 2012-01-04 20:27
Sounds too good to be true that it will work in gaming 3D from Nvidia or AMD. What is the model number of this TV? It would seem that it would have made a big splash bit nothing is being said. Using Tridef internally sounds promising though.
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