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Written by David Ramsey   
Monday, 30 January 2012
Table of Contents: Page Index
XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video Card
AMD "Southern Islands" GPU
Closer Look: XFX Radeon HD 7950
FX-795A-TDBC Detailed Features
FX-795A-TDBC Features and Specifications
Video Card Testing Methodology
DX11: 3DMark11
DX11: Crysis 2
DX11: Batman: Arkham City
DX11: Aliens vs Predator
DX11: Lost Planet 2
DX11: Metro 2033
DX11: Unigine Heaven 2.5
XFX 7950 DD Temperatures
VGA Power Consumption
XFX R7950 DD Overclocking
XFX Radeon 7950 Final Thoughts
XFX R7950 Black Edition Conclusion

VGA Testing Methodology

The Microsoft DirectX-11 graphics API is native to the Microsoft Windows 7 Operating System, and will be the primary O/S for our test platform. DX11 is also available as a Microsoft Update for the Windows Vista O/S, so our test results apply to both versions of the Operating System. All of the tests in this review were run with DX11 graphics.

According to the Steam hardware survey, as of December 2011 the most popular desktop resolution (for Steam users) is 1680x1050 pixels, with a 17.59% share, with 1920x1080 pixels coming in second with only 7.7%. However, when testing video cards at this level, the higher the resolution you can test with, the better. I ran most tests at both 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 (I continue to prefer the 16:10 ratio of 1920x1200 to the mysteriously more popular 1920x1080 resolution). Frankly the top-end video cards these days are so powerful that even 1920x1200 isn't much of a challenge...

I used a combination of synthetic and video game benchmark tests in this article to illustrate relative performance among graphics solutions. Our benchmark frame rate results are not intended to represent real-world graphics performance, as this experience would change based on supporting hardware and the perception of individuals playing the video game.

Note: Since Benchmark Reviews tested the XFX R7970 Black Edition Double Dissipation video card, AMD has released a new driver that promises increased performance across a broad range of applications. For this test I re-ran the benchmarks for the R7970 with the new driver, so the scores for that card in this review will be different from the scores in the original review. AMD has not rolled the Tahiti drivers into their standard Catalyst release yet, so we're stuck with mysterious numbers: we originally tested the R7970 with driver "8.921-111202a-129903E-ATI", while in this test we're using the newer "8.921.2-120119a-132101E-ATI".

DX11 Cost to Performance Ratio

For this article Benchmark Reviews has included cost per FPS for graphics performance results. Only the least expensive product price is calculated, and does not consider tax, freight, promotional offers, or rebates into the cost. All prices reflect product series components, and do not represent any specific manufacturer, model, or brand. These retail prices for each product were obtained from NewEgg.com on 8-January-2012:

  • $330.00 GeForce GTX 570
  • $480.00 GeForce GTX 580
  • $749.00 GeForce GTX 590
  • $320.00 Radeon HD 6970
  • $700.00 Radeon HD 6990
  • $499.00 Radeon HD 7950 (MSRP of XFX R7950 Black Edition Double Dissipation)
  • $600.00 Radeon HD 7970 (MSRP of XFX R7970 Black Edition Double Dissipation)

Intel X79-Express Test System

DirectX-11 Benchmark Applications

  • Aliens vs Predator
    • Extreme Settings: (Very High Quality, 4x AA, 16x AF, SSAO, Tessellation, Advanced Shadows)
  • 3DMark11
    • "Extreme" settings (resolution set to 1920x1200 from standard 1920x1080)
  • Lost Planet 2
    • 32x AA, High Shadow Detail, High Texture, High Render, High DirectX 11 Features)
  • Batman: Arkham City
    • FXAA (high), DX11 features on, High Tessellation, Extreme Detail, Dynamic Shadows, Motion Blur, Distortion, Lens Flares, Light Shafts, Reflections, Ambient Occlusion, Normal PhysX
  • Metro 2033
    • Extreme Settings: (Very-High Quality, AAA, 16x AF, Advanced DOF, Tessellation, 180s Fraps Chase Scene)
  • Unigine Heaven Benchmark 2.5
    • Extreme Settings: (High Quality, Normal Tessellation, 16x AF, 4x AA)
  • Crysis 2
    • Extreme Quality, 4xAA, DirectX 11 features, Edge AA, High Resolution Textures

Video Card Test Products

Graphics Card GeForce GTX570 GeForce GTX580 GeForce GTX590 Radeon HD6970 Radeon HD6990 Radeon HD7950 Radeon HD7970
GPU Cores 480 512 1024 1536 3072 1792 2048
Core Clock (MHz) 732 772 607 880 800 900 1000
Shader Clock (MHz) 1464 1544 1215 N/A N/A N/A N/A
Memory Clock (MHz) 1900 2004 1707 900 1250 1375 1425
Memory Amount 1280 MB GDDR5 1536MB GDDR5 3072MB GDDR5 2048MB GDDR5 4096MB GDDR5 3072MB GDDR5 3072MB GDDR5
Memory Interface 320-bit 384-bit 384-bit 256-bit 256-bit 384-bit 384-bit
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 Reference Design (732 MHz GPU/1464MHz Shader/1900 MHz vRAM - Forceware 285.62)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design (772MHz GPU/1544MHz Shader/2004 MHz vRAM - Forceware 285.62)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 Reference Design (607 MHz GPU/1215 MHz Shader/1707 MHz vRAM - Forceware 285.62)
  • ATI Radeon HD 6970 Reference Design (880 MHz GPU/900 MHz vRAM - ATI Catalyst Driver 11.12)
  • ATI Radeon HD 6990 Reference Design (800 MHz GPU/1250MHz vRAM - ATI Catalyst Driver 11.12)
  • XFX R7950 Black Edition Double Dissipation (900 MHz GPU/1375 MHz vRAM - ATI Driver 8.921.2-120119a-132101E-ATI)
  • XFX R7970 Black Edition Double Dissipation (1000 MHz GPU/1425 MHz vRAM - ATI Driver 8.921.2-120119a-132101E-ATI)



 

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# poor pc graphics cardscube 2012-01-31 00:25
I dont know. the price of just one card is the same as buying an entire brand new console. this is just one piece needed to run these crappy ports they now do for the Pc. Is not even worth the expense since our 2007 video card can run all the games they still put out today since they are simply made to run on consoles and then ported over. Is a shame.
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# RE: poor pc graphics cardsDavid Ramsey 2012-01-31 08:07
It's a very expensive card, but I'd love to see your 2007-vintage video card run any of the games I used in this review at more than about 10 fps, if it could even manage that...

Even games that are console ports use higher definition models and textures for the PC versions, and many games still don't exist in console versions...
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# RE: RE: poor pc graphics cardscube 2012-01-31 14:38
Sorry to disappoint you but my GeForce 8800 Ultra (2007) runs all these games just like my xbox and my ps3 can.

Just because they add a few hd texture doesnt make the gameplay anybetter. Is just aesthetic and to be honest, even without those, they still look great on a 1080p display using the consoles.

The point of the matter is that this card is way too expensive to justify it. I agree with hcf regarding the Crysis 1 times where it even became a model of " but can it run crysis" because it was a product for PC. Like i said, There is no point in getting these expensive cards or even running crossfire or sli because of the ports that we now enjoy.
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# RE: RE: RE: poor pc graphics cardsDavid Ramsey 2012-01-31 14:43
Ah, so what you mean is that your GeForce 8800 Ultra will run modern games _with the settings turned down_.

Well, sure. It depends on the individual, of course, but many serious gamers obsess over pixel-level detail and can easily see when GPU-intensive features like SSAO are turned on. More obviously, your card can't perform tesselation, so many modern games will look "flat".

But if you're happy with it, there's certainly no reason to go out and drop $500 on a 7950. But much cheaper cards like the GTX 560 series would still improve your gameplay experience.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: poor pc graphics cardscube 2012-01-31 14:47
I agree. All i can say is that my game looks just as good as the console version. It runs just as smooth and it has more people in it.

When i saw that first video of BF3, remember, that game looked amazing. The pre release video. I said, holy # i am going to drop 3K on a new system just for that.

Well, the beta comes out and i can play it just as good...ive seen the game on ultra high settings and it does not look like that video AT ALL.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: poor pc graphics cardsSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 09:45
I'd sure like to know what video you're talking about... I search for the pre release - and wind up with game tailers in 1080p HD - and I have to say it certainly DOES look that good.
I have one of those top end cards and I crank everything to max.
BTW - it makes a big difference in game play if your system is smoking fast. No, you don't need to spend $3,000.00 - but an i3/2100 a decent sandy bridge board, some cheap ddr3, and a good video card will do it.
You already have a system - 600-800 bucks would get you a smoking modern gamer player - and you'd definitely change your tune then.
I'll watch the video and take it back if need be if you provide the link.
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# Lol What?JeoWay 2013-08-20 15:26
I play both console and playstation too.

A PC has different settings such as Ultra and AA modifications.

This gen consoles run on about a low to medium setting. My PC runs everything at ultra

Do you know anything about this?
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# RE: Lol What?David Ramsey 2013-08-20 15:41
Yes, I've long known that PC graphics are much better than console graphics.
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video Cardhcf 2012-01-31 03:50
AGREED, I have dual ASUS 2GB 5870 Eyefinity6 cards and have not found anything that I can not run, and run well. The only difference will come if you want to run a game in 3D mode. The problem is that 3D mode is not for everybody that plays games. When you combine the fact that the games are ported and 3D is not a driving factor, we are getting to the place where the technology is outpacing the need. Back when Crysis 1 came out there was a need for more powerful card as that was NOT a ported game but a product made for PC's. Now the companies are coding for the lowest common denominator, the general masses. My question is this, At what point will AMD & Nvidia cut back their R&D because it will not pay them to produce these high end chips?
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardChris 2012-01-31 05:33
Yeah, it's a great card, but it's still $500 freaking dollars!! Screw that!
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# RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardDavid Ramsey 2012-01-31 07:59
We can still hope for more reasonably priced cards, perhaps based on the Pitcairn die...
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video Cardpc 2012-01-31 05:41
Apparently you guys have been living in a cave and have not heard of high demanding games like bf3 o wait ill spell it out for you battlefield 3 and the witcher 2. Both these games require a crossfire setup or one beast of a single gpu like this card to run on ultra for a high fps.
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# RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardDavid Ramsey 2012-01-31 08:02
What, Arkam City and Metro 2033 aren't "demanding games"?

There are lots of games out there and deciding which ones to use for benchmarks is up to the judgement of the reviewer. When you write your own reviews, feel free to include whatever games you wish.
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# RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video Cardcube 2012-01-31 14:42
I have single card, 8800 ultra from 2007 and i will make you want to quit in bf3. You dont need crossfire or sli setup to run these games.

Ultra high fps is not needed to kill people. You really care about grass? you care about more shadows that actually hinders you when in jungle because of how camouflage works in the game ?

The point is that it does not justify the price when the PS3 version and the Xbox version run the same and it surely looks the same on a 1080p display. Yeah its less people, but thats only due to the networking limitations on consoles. The next Gen consoles are going to make our PCs look like #. They will start to make games for Tablets then. port it over to the pc and call it a day
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# RE: RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardStupido 2012-02-01 04:00
Quote:
I have single card, 8800 ultra from 2007 and i will make you want to quit in bf3. You dont need crossfire or sli setup to run these games.

Ultra high fps is not needed to kill people. You really care about grass? you care about more shadows that actually hinders you when in jungle because of how camouflage works in the game ?


I think you are mixing visual fidelity with "game quality"... they are comparable as apples & oranges...
visual fidelity just adds immersion, doesn't change the game mechanics.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video Cardcube 2012-02-01 08:02
it will add immersion when the developers will acrually make a game for the pc and not just a port with some hd textures. come on, dont kid yourself. did you seee what bioware did with swtor and thats a pc game.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 09:59
Wow okay, you're just really sour pussed. Thanks for the ten thousandth pop culture now a cleche' complaint repeat.
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You should read that Hexus article on WHY consoles can have decent graphics on crappy chips and on a PC it takes a lot more work - it has to do with the way calls are made with DX9+ versions...
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In any case you are sorely mistaken no console looks as good as PC today.
You are just clinging to your formerly $600 card and unwilling to bone up the $ to keep up on PC.
That's ok, your call, but the whining excuses are just that - excuses and incorrect ones.
There's not a card out today powerful enough for a range of what you whine are ported PC games - they fail in fps strength and eye candy - on AMD you have to turn down MSAA to 2X or zero - you won't be turning on PhysX, you won't be running high and highest tessellation.
The real truth is even the 7970 lacks enough power on the now common 1920x1050 common flat panels. It's not enough guy.
I'm sorry your attitude frankly stinks to the point of disinformation and I'm sorry it's become a common meme or theme - BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.
But boy there are a lot of you - feel good you have plenty of company, plenty of sour puss whining company.
Get a paper route and in a few months you'll have plenty to have a top tier smoker of a system - it's not that much money - do it reasonable
core i3 2100 $125 $300 vid, $100 mboard $50 ram $100 ssd
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That's $675 to get to nearly the top of all performance rungs - and certainly enough to bury your $600+ release price 8800GTX
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If you don't like the cost, fine, but don't feed me those sorry lies in the whines please - it's time this repeated pop culture theme whine be put to rest it is a LIE.
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# GAH.. $500?Roland 2012-01-31 08:24
When I heard about this review I was thinking 79"50"? oh it's going to be cheaper!! I was hopining in the $350 range.. so I was a little disapointed on seeing the cost but still, overall an excellent review David!
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# Thanksrealneil 2012-01-31 08:50
Thanks for the review. it was comprehensive and a good read. I'd love to own this card, but it's not gonna happen on a retirement income. Prices for PC parts are trending upwards all of the time. The last release of Radeon Cards (6950 and 6970) were introduced at a much lower price point. Motherboards are much higher and many CPU's are too. They used a flood to justify a huge increase in HDD prices, but those prices never got back to where they were before the flood.
Prices for DDR3 Memory and SSD's has remained competitive, but how long will it remain so?
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# RE: ThanksDavid Ramsey 2012-01-31 12:49
The high end stuff is still expensive, but the bag-per-buck is much better. In fact it's so much better than the average person can build a killer rig using lower-priced midrange parts. A 2500K is $229 at Newegg, while an AMD 1100T six-core CPU (with better per-core performance than the 8-core 8150) is even less. P67/Z68/AMD3 motherboards can be had for less than $200, and RAM is all but free these days.

Hard disk prices aside, you can build a system that would crush the very best possible a few years ago for a lot less money than those older machines cost. As long as you don't need the very top end parts, I think prices are at historic lows.
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# Able to use PhysXVassa 2012-01-31 11:13
I've heard that PhysX driver can still be downloaded even when it's onwed by Nvida,the diffrence will be that the cpu runs it instead.
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# RE: Able to use PhysXrealneil 2012-01-31 12:00
CPU's typically run PhysX like crap. Not enough power to do it right,....and NVIDIA has made it proprietary to their brand.
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# RE: RE: Able to use PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 10:37
And AMD has made MLAA their proprietary crap. So instead of whining like crybaby sacks of worthless frozen incapable turds, NVIDIA BONED UP AND MADE SOME FXAA AND CRAMMED IT DOWN AMD'S THROAT !
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There ! Howsa bout it amd fanboys!!?? DON'T YOU WISH AMD HAD A SET TOO ?
They don't - they whine and bullet physics is freaking nowhere ...
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Now amd had to redo their MLAA for a fps cheat on the 79xx-- LOL - AND IT SUCKS WORSE THAN FXAA ANYWAY - even though it doesn't blur huds anymore like it did foreva cause amd sucks sucks suck suck suck.
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Dear God, thank you for one company that isn't filled and followed by whining sour pussed crybabies, for one company that doesn't whine and moan in every PR stunt to stir up hate for the superior competition, BUT INSTEAD GOES THE DRAWING BOARD AND CRANKS OUT FXAA !
THANK YOU GOD THAT ONE COMPANY IS NOT A CRYBABY WHINING SACK OF CRAP!
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GOD!!!!! will you people ever stop ? ( I suspect not )
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# RE: RE: RE: Able to use PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-03-11 10:43
The only person on this thread I see whining, crying, and screaming is you. Tone it down.
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardVassa 2012-01-31 12:28
I still actually belive it would work fine, but I would like to see someone try and run PhysX with intel i7-2600k/2700k/3930k and amds radeon HD 7900 series
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# RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardDavid Ramsey 2012-01-31 12:45
I think the performance would be very similar to what we saw here in my Arkham City benchmarks, where I left PhysX turned on and it was running on the CPU with the Radeon cards. Yeah, the CPU in the tests system was a 3960X, but the core architecture is pretty much the same as that of the 2500/2600/2700K processors, albeit with a touch more cache.
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardAli 2012-02-01 20:58
Nice review :)
and i love to see AMD putting some tough competition this time, It is always good for the end users ... Both new releases by AMD are really interesting and are very much capable ... well done AMD !!!
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardAli 2012-02-01 21:18
and i m seeing people here commenting that more powerful cards are unnecessary ... this if for their information that i m also using 9800 gtx+ for the past 2.6 years and this has now become totally out dated it doesnot support gaimg at 1080p resolution coz in every game i have to lower settings to medium or to either lower the resolution .. Since I live in Pakistan and here we usually receive newer hardware after 3 to 4 month of their release in international markets :( i m eagerly awaiting 7800 series cards to come to our markets coz those would be in my range :D
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video Cardhcf 2012-02-02 13:18
Looking at the cost per FPS is a great touch however it does not end there. You really have to look at all the other items it takes to run the card at maximum output. That would mean a CPU, PSU, RAM, HDD, MB. Too top it off most PC games are run on smaller monitors than consoles. Now you are getting the true cost of running the high end cards. Granted it is difficult to determine this cost equitably. However, building a $2000-$3000 system to run a $60 game is what we are looking at. You can buy 1 of each major console for the cost of the Highest end video gaming card. Are we approaching the point of diminishing returns for the PC gamer and the video card manufacturer? Would it make seense for the next generation of consoles to be modular? sort of a hybrid PC/console type machine that could be upgraded from its core to adequately run more powerful games as they emerge rather than wait 10 years for a new console platform to come out.
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# RE: RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 10:12
You're way exaggerating costs, they easily come in under $700, and no ding dang console can do what a PC does after yer done getting nail gunned to death.
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You cannot take super supreme extreme massive rig and compare it to plain vanilla - then whine about pricing.
I want to know what the top end decked out x360 costs with all the addons... OH FREAK IT'S TWO GRAND !
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KISS IT MAN...no do not
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# RE: XFX Radeon R7950 Black Edition Video CardAli 2012-02-03 00:03
All this depends on you ... if you want console like graphics (or may be better) you may have a pc that will cost you around $500 or else you may spend $500 alone at your graphics card :) It depends on you that how do you look at your machine and how do you use it. and not to mentioned that pc is not only for gaming :)
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# PhysXJames 2012-02-15 18:42
What if they were to use an second nvidia card JUST for the phsyx stuff.. ie, 9800GT or something. Would that be slower than a modern processor considdering it'd be used just for the physx calc's and allow the videocards to compete on a level playing field? or would it slow things down cuz the card is too slow?
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# RE: PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-02-15 18:50
What an entirely reasonable idea! Unfortunately, NVIDIA noticed this a few years ago and disables PhysX if the primary video card isn't an NVIDIA card. There are various hacks to re-enable it but it's really a pain and breaks with every new driver release.

NVIDIA says this is because they can't guarantee the operation of PhysX unless the primary card is an NVIDIA card, but that's just bull#.
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# RE: RE: PhysXJames 2012-02-16 03:37
So have the 9800GT power the primary monitor and have the ATI card power the 2 gaming monitors? *shrug* im sure there are legit ways around it.. I might have to play around with it to see..
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# RE: RE: RE: PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-02-16 07:41
Many (most?) games will only play on the primary monitor. But let us know if you find some way around this!
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# RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 10:28
Who can blame them ? AMD went on a mind bend mission to have ten thousand screaming atitards hating Nvidia so much so that others would be forced to bail and buy ati/amd...
AMD won't pay to use something that cost 100 million to develop.
AMD fgans far and wide scream I hate PhysX and it sucks for the 2 games it means nothing to that it is used on.
So really, who gives a damn that AMD and their sick child fans are so raging mad - they won't pay up for tech, they slam the competition that won't hand it to them for free, then after ripping that same comp in public for endless months of shrieking terror they are surprised when they get their crap card hack disabled.
IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT. THEY DESERVE IT, AND DESERVED IT.
NOW PAY UP YOU CRYBABIES, OR GET US BULLET PHYSICS AND IT BETTER BE NON PROPRIETARY, IT BETTER RUN FOR FREE ON NVIDIA CARDS AND YOU BETTER BE SPENDING LOTS OF YOUR AMD $$$ TO GET IT IN TWO CRAPPY GAMES...
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Ok, thanks I feel better. I am sorry Nvidia didn't punch amd in the kisser and say "if our physx sucks so bad, and you don't want it, then you've got your wish ! "
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Way to go - if all the little crybabies had AN OUNCE of honesty in their bones they would have asked their king god amd TO PAY A FEW BUCKS FOR PHYSX.... OR PAY NVIDIA HALF THE DEVELOPEMENT COSTS ALREADY ACCRUED.
I GUES AMD IS A LEECH WELFARE CRYBABY COMPANY ! SO ARE ALL IT'S FANS!( well most of em cause even ones who didn't agree never shut up the little terrorists )
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PAY FOR WHAT YOU WANT FOR FREE DAVE RAMSEY ! PAY UP !
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# RE: RE: RE: PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-03-11 10:40
What? I don't follow your reasoning. I'm not asking for anything for free; I bought an NVIDIA video card with its PhysX capabilities prominently called out on the box. Nothing was said about "Oh, by the way, we'll disable this feature if you dare to have someone else's video card in your system along with ours."

That's just stupid: it's like having your anti-lock brakes disabled if you buy non-Ford tires or something.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 10:53
No it isn't I explained it above. Pull your other video card(s), or forget your PhysX !
The industry doesn't exist in a bubble in your computer - there's a lot more at stake than your personal preference for extra graphics in your machine.
The competitors decided they would go on a PR bash campaign, and fight the future - and blame it all on the competition, and demand to pay nothing, while incurring costs for Nvidia for porting, and then went about destroying their public image.
A million IDIOTS bought it.
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Since what you buy is connected not just to your rig but to a worldwide competition, make your choice... you saw what amd fanboys did - you saw what Richard Huddy of AMD did...
You support THAT CRAP ? - keep your amd card in and suck it up.
Nvidia is PUNISHING you. Now pull that rooster card out or live with it or HACK IT.
FACE REALITY that's what's going on and playing a 3rd grader "it's stupid" is PLAYING LIKE YOU ARE A BLIND FOOL.
Are you that stupid Dave ?
I certainly don't think so - so stop pretending you are.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-03-11 10:59
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about at this point. I'm not aware of any AMD "bash campaign" against PhysX. They have their own competing physics engine, and that's fine, but PhysX is better. AMD is at a competitive disadvantage by not having it since many "A"-list titles use it, which is why I always list the lack of PhysX as a strike against AMD cards.

But you haven't explained why NVIDIA should disable PhysX on their cards if there's an AMD card in the system. I bought the NVIDIA card. Why aren't I entitled to its full capabilities?
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 11:18
Pay up and BUY the MAIN NVIDIA CARD, to function with your secondary PhysX card.
Nvidia paid AGEIA. Nvidia spent a hundred million on dev.
PAY UP - that means BUY WHAT YOU NEED TO USE IT - YOU NEED TO BUY NVIDIA TO USE IT.
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It's SAD you aren't aware of AMD's PR campaign.
Check Hexus, dude.
I'm sorry, really, that you don't have a clue, and the brainwash crew owns you. Really, that is so astounding.
" But you haven't explained why NVIDIA should disable PhysX on their cards if there's an AMD card in the system. "
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If you don't get it yet, you never will. You called Nvidia a liar when they told you it is a software issue- it is their lawsuit exposure - okay so Nvidia lied their tokus off to you...let's give you that - they have no costs now or ever when the crappy amd radeon drivers blow away a systems capability to stably run PhysX - let's give you that one, that their vbendor partners would have no tech support over AMD cards ***** it all up - let's give you that one...
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Guess what's left Dave ?
AMD went on a PAID PR to demand nvidia open source PhysX, then cried foul and claimed Nvidia is evil and amd would never do such a thing developing proprietary tech... I guess you lived under a cave at the time and cannot even gauge your own commentary and others in this thread - who've with less said so. Missed that too right ? LOL wow.
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So in any case - since AMD wasn't going to play fair, wasn't going to cooperate, went on a smear campaign, and riled up it little minions totally on purpose and all we sentient beings watched it happen - NVidia did what it had to do...
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-03-11 11:37
See, the cognitive dissonance here is that you keep saying (in all caps, no less) that I must buy NVIDIA to use PhysX.

I _did_ buy NVIDIA. I'm hardly an AMD fanboy: my primary gaming system runs two GTX 580s in SLI.
And they're cards I bought myself, not review samples. I don't understand why plugging in an ATI card for should disable PhysX. And you haven't given me any good reasons why it should other than "That's the way NVIDIA wants it."

(We know they're probably lying about the undefined technical issues since there are hacks out there that re-enable PhysX with an AMD card in the system, and they work just fine.)

NVIDIA claims PhysX is an open API that anyone can write to, and that they'll even help (well, they used to claim this. Haven't seen it in some years). I can't find anything about AMD ever demanding that NVIDIA make PhysX open source...can you provide a link?
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 13:35
Go over to NGOHQ and read what the owner - I believe his name is - uh.. Arron ? Well, the owner guy wrote up about it all when it was happening...
NGOHQ David - the guy there wrote the PORT for PhysX to AMD cards - and as he tells, NVIDIA supported his work and sent several engineers to assist him - and he was successful. He also claims - says - that AMD refused to work with him, and PURPOSEFULLY BROKE the PhysX he ported to their cards in their next driver release.
It's all public information man.
What you need to understand is how the relationship between industry rivals works in the real world. It involves LAWS, and lawsuits ion many cases, and especially between the parties in question - and we can add in Intel and Microsoft...
What's going on, is what I tried in vain to explain to you, that you do not want to acknowledge. Let me try harder....
PhysX, with an AMD card as main, would by default be modifying screen output in the games - and would be related to the stability of the competing card in question,as well as it's own.
Someone has to write those drivers - and someone has to constantly update those drivers, and test those drivers.
NVidia does not have - by law, all the hooks or code secrets for AMD drivers - and as far as I understand it, is not on legal ground without AMD permission and cooperation.
I mentioned the lawsuit issue, and assumed you had the sense and back round knowledge to understand...
Why you will say, was it then working for some time ?
Well, that's also how industry works - things are done, and until the legal departments issue cease and desist notices, things can happen for a time period that do not go on forever...
As far as AMD's PR Richard Huddy and Nvidia's PR - they both publicly claimed certain things - (this is separate from the NGOHQ work Nvidia supported and AMD put a stop to) both claimed NVIDIA has repeatedly offered PhysX for a price to AMD. Huddy from AMD said yes it has happened, and claimed, that Nvidia was not really serious. Nvidia claims AMD does not want to pay - which coincides with Huddy's demand for PhysX going open source...( let's face it - must not be that hard to make 1 driver work on 1 amd driver set, the guy at NGOHQ did it with help from 2 NV engineers ) ....
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# ContinuedSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 13:47
The problem comes when behind the scenes AMD threatens Nvidia, won't work with them or an intermediary to port PhysX, and is instead, happy to have people like you angry at Nvidia and blaming them.
It works 100% for AMD by destroying PhysX, turning the public against Nvidia, and placing all the blame on them - the PR lines are far cheaper than paying a fair amount for PhysX and paying for the coding for the monthly driver releases, and paying Nvidia in some joint agreement on PhysX driver releases.
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So much more detail can be gone into concerning the legalities, but the bottom line is Nvidia can't just do it - and their attempt for FORCE AMD into some deal with NGOHQ assistance was crushed by AMD...
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AMD much prefers the public to be disgruntled, to hate Nvidia, to scream PhysX sucks, to not pay a dime to work with game developers to implement it, and to take the HUGE PR VICTORY people like you give them.
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Nvidia's statement on the matter, if you read it, points out the legal problems (in corporate speak one could complain), but anyone with common knowledge on the matter knows what's going on.
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Same type of thing happened with Batman AA - Nvidia did the work, spent the money, and AMD wanted a PR campaign victory - demanded it all for free and said "cooperation is key!" and the fools of the world bought it.
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AMD is near bankrupt - maybe if their PR was nice, and their rabid fan base wasn't twisted into NV hatred, maybe NV would do their video card division a solid for free... maybe they do all the time and we don't hear about that...
But that's the bottom line - Nvidia can no longer just let AMD's card work with their PhysX - AMD could sue them, vendors could sue them, end users could sue them - they don't have permission - and are NOT going to spend the money upkeeping drivers for AMD and are likely to be absolutely legally banned from that too.
When AGEIA cards were still in use drivers were there that worked with AMD... that's the nature of an independent company.
What AMD fans SHOULD BE grateful for and are not- is the fact that NVIDIA NEVER hard coded PhysX into their proceeding chip lineups and really made it completely proprietary at some silicon level... we know it runs on amd because of NGOHQ.
Oh yes the guys name there is ERAN, I just recalled.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 13:55
"I _did_ buy NVIDIA."
Then use your Nvidia cards. You're making a problem you claim you don't have.
You also completely spun what I said, because of your rose colored glasses. YOU claim it's because Nvidia wants it that way, not me. YOU claim it's because they're liars, not me.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 14:00
Let me help you some more.
I claim it's because AMD WON'T PAY - and in fact, that's the way THEY want it.
Anyone with a lick of business sense, any experience knows it's true.
NVidia would love nothing more than for the entire video card and mobile handset world to adopt PhysX - they would profit handsomely.
You claimed something about open source this or that- but that's another one of those pop culture spews that has very little sense in reality - it means to the duped idiot "free" - but PhysX IS NOT FREE.
It's like linux or flavors of the same, let's say - MANY builds sell for many millions of dollars all the time - but the "word in stupidville" is "it's open source".
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 11:20
It CUT AMD OFF.
Not only would they not pay, not only did they spread "physx sucks" - they demanded an open port source for free.... and all their little minions loved it - all the little amd fans repeat it...
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ITS IN THIS THREAD.
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So man up - take out your AMD card, sell it, and buy Nvidia for primary and secondary PERIOD. Or, go buy amd - go ahead - Nvidia invites you to. Please do. In fact if you cannot understand, you ought to buy only AMD. And you don't get it.
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PS - amd has no competing physics - bullet doesn't compete (as our little retard saying goes) .
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That's what happens in the big bad world Dave - companies compete - they make decisions based upon competitions misdeeds, do they not ?
YES.
Time to grow up and face reality.
AMD and their cards do not get a pass from Nvidia - you're supporting AMD, you're supporting the problem - so NVIDIA makes you choose - MAN UP - you're not getting PhysX "with amd" for free. YOU WILL PAY NVIDIA. NO YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. NO GUARANTEE OF COMPATIBILITY WITH RADEON - SORRY DAVE ! GROW UP.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXOlin Coles 2012-03-11 14:02
OK, you're banned... see you in 30 days when you can learn to stop making personal attacks.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 10:58
PS - the works with amd card driver is still posted - Nvidia left it up - I certainly hope you knew that !
PS2 - NO AGREEMENT IS MADE BY EITHER OF THE BIG TWO THAT FUTURE DRIVERS WILL CARRY ALL FEATURES FORWARD FOREVER.
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You're part of the "influential" reviewers, and I see exactly "what your influence is".
I guarantee when NVidia reps look at it like I have here - the answr is "PULL YOUR AND CARD IF YOU WANT PHYSX - IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM GO WHINE TO AMD WHO WON'T PAY UP".
None of us live in the bubble of stupidity and singularity your excuse or cry foul against "stupid Nvidia who disabled the brakes" demands.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXDavid Ramsey 2012-03-11 11:00
Thank you for your input.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: PhysXSiliconDoc 2012-03-11 11:21
Thank you for being cool with me.
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