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Written by Hank Tolman   
Thursday, 27 September 2012
Table of Contents: Page Index
AMD Trinity APU A10-5800K & A8-5600K Preview
Closer Look: A10-5800K
Video Game Benchmarks
AMD A85X Platform
Preview Conclusion

Closer Look: A10-5800K & A8-5600K

The first new introduction of the Second Generation APUs is the addition of the A10 series. Llano capped out at A8 with the quad-core A8-3870K Black Edition processor at the top. The A10-5800K is one of the first Trinity APUs out the gate. The A10 keeps the quad-cores but bumps up the clock frequency significantly. Where the A8-3870K had a base clock of 3.0GHz, the A10-5800K clocks in at 3.8GHz. Being a Black Edition APU (as you can tell from the K on the end), the A10-5800K can also turbo up to 4.2GHz.


The other APU we got is the A8-5600K. The A8-5600K also provides a dramatic increase in clock speed when compared to its predecessors. The A8-5600K clocks in at 3.6GHz with the ability to turbo up to 3.9GHz. Other than the clock speeds, though, the A10-5800K and the A8-5600K are nearly identical. They both have just over 1.3 billion transistors and a die size of 246mm squared. Both APUs have 4MB of L2 cache and no L3 cache. This is no surprise. AMD entry and mid-level processors typically lack the L3 cache. That is reserved for the high-end AMD CPUs.


The A10-5800K and the A8-5600K both feature MMX, SSE up to 4a, AES instructions, Advanced Bit Manipulation, Advanced Vector Extensions, AVX 1.1, AMD64 Technology, Virtualization technology, Enhanced Virus Protection, and Turbo Core 3.0 Technology. That sounds like a lot, but only the Turbo Core 3.0 Technology is new to the second generation.


The only other difference between the A10-5800K and the A8-5600K comes in the form of the on-die GPU. The A10-5800K comes equipped with the Radeon HD 7660D GPU running at 800MHz and stocked with 384 Radeon cores. The A8-5600K, on the other hand, touts a Radeon HD 7560D GPU running at 760MHz with 256 Radeon Cores. For reference, I've included a table with the details of the currently planned FM2 socket APUs.


The Second Generation A-Series processors also appear to have some pretty good overclock room. According to the documentation that AMD sent us, they got the A10-5800K up to 6.5GHz on liquid nitrogen. I don't know how many AMD A-Series buyers are going to go all out for a LN2 setup, though, so I'll certainly be evaluating the overclock potential on air for myself. You'll be able to see those results in just a couple of short weeks.


Before we get to a couple of gaming benchmarks, let's talk about what really makes the difference in those tests, the GPU. This is where the A-Series processors really shine and really outperform the similarly priced Intel line of processors. As I mentioned above, the A10-5800K and the A8-5600K sport Radeon HD 7000 series discrete-level GPUs. When I reviewed the A8-3850 APU, I noted a couple of things. First off, the discrete level 6550D on the A8-3850 couldn't compete with low-end discrete graphics solutions like the GT430 unless I overclocked it. Also, while the 6550D on the A8-3850 took the Sandy Bridge graphics on the i3-2100 to school, I couldn't compare the two in DX11 tests because Sandy Bridge didn't support DX11. Ivy Bridge supports DX11, so that makes this time different. I'll really be able to show the differences now.


AMD claims that, this time, the discrete level graphics on the A10-5800K and the A8-5600K are more than a match for Ivy Bridge graphics. I don't doubt this at all. They also claim that the A10-5800K's 7660D can outperform the i3 graphics combined with a GT 630. I haven't had a chance to test all those variables yet. Like I said, I got these two APUs less than two prior to the publishing of this article. I did get a chance to check the performance against the 6550D in the A8-3850 and the Intel HD Graphics on the i3-2100.



# You can do betterJeff Frizzell 2012-09-27 00:13
Comparing the TOP Trinity graphics parts against the HD 2000 - the slowest Intel graphics from the previous generation... really? Why not compare versus Core i3-3225 which will come much closer on graphics performane at similar price point, direct socket upgrade from your current i3-2100 and with excellent power consumption for low noise for an HTPC usage...
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# Did you read the text?Hank Tolman 2012-09-27 07:49
I know a lot of people just look at the charts, but did I mention I had less than two days to get this together? I also don't have an i3-3225 on hand to compare. In the full reviews, they will be compared to an i3-3220. This is just a preview.
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# Hd2500 vs hd4000Jeff Frizzell 2012-09-27 19:12
The core i3-3220 has the hd2500 graphics, the lower of the two Ivybridge variants. Please include at least one system with hd4000 to make a fair comparison for people who care about the
Integrated graphics. Thanks!
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# RE: You can do betterRoland 2012-09-27 08:57
They also thru the 5770 in there for comparison and we all know that's no slouch..
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# Here the review yoo wantJanochan 2012-09-29 06:16

The A10-5800k's IGP beats Intel core i7-3770k's IGP
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# RE: AMD Trinity APU A10-5800K & A8-5600K PreviewAli 2012-09-27 05:38
Can you pls compare 5800 & 5600 series with GTX640 & GTX630 and it would be nice to see GTA 4 in benchmarks list :) Thanks,
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# RE: RE: AMD Trinity APU A10-5800K & A8-5600K PreviewHank Tolman 2012-09-27 08:12
Hi Ali,
I can do a GT 630 for sure. Unfortunately, I don't have a GT 640. As for GTA 4, I haven't used it before, but I'll see what I can do.
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# RE: AMD Trinity APU A10-5800K & A8-5600K PreviewAli 2012-09-27 05:45
Please also reconsider lost planet 2 benchmark. Are you sure that at 1280*1024 resolution with high graphics settings and with 4x MSAA 7660D was giving 33 FPS? :|
This sort of performance is exceptional and I doubt it :|
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# RE: RE: AMD Trinity APU A10-5800K & A8-5600K PreviewHank Tolman 2012-09-27 07:53
Actually, at 1280x1024 the 7660D did get 33 FPS average. That being said, the minimum frame rates still make it unplayable, even at 1280x1024. Also, keep in mind that I used the LP2 benchmark tool. Those results could differ significantly in actual gameplay.
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# HUH ?abu 2012-09-27 06:43
This smell payd material....The comparisons aren t even and do not make sense marketwise.
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# RE: HUH ?Hank Tolman 2012-09-27 08:09
Payd, huh? That would be nice. I'll bet AMD pays a lot of reviewers to complain about their lack of backwards compatibility and late market entries. I'll have to get in on that. Next round is on me guys.
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# crossfireAde 2012-09-27 07:04
Since it will undoubtedly not be fast enough for playing relatively modern games on 1920x1080 I would like to see some crossfire results with the 6000 and 7000 discrete cards.

The idea being that both ivy and trinity are good enough for desktop work, but the selling point of trinity would be if you could cheaply turn it into a gaming machine as well.

Also please do some comparisons at different ram speeds, as they could significantly affect the outcome of the benchmarks. (or the effectiveness of the integrated graphics.)

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# RE: crossfireHank Tolman 2012-09-27 08:06
I'll definitely run CrossFire tests to find out how easily these could be used for gaming. Since the motherboard I got to test with supports Virtu MVP, I'll even try pairing it with some NVIDIA products. As for RAM speeds, I'll test them, but I wouldn't anticipate more than a couple of frame rates difference in games.
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# ThanksAde 2012-09-27 11:44
For all your feedback. Awesome!
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# crossfiregodrilla 2012-09-27 07:41
yes please do some Apu in crossfire with highest Compatible Gpu In crossfire to see where next gen of consoles are going to be in terms of performance
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# APUs are OKRealNeil 2012-09-27 10:25
I have an APU A8-3850 CPU with an ASUS F1A75-V-Pro and a XFX Radeon HD-6670 in hybrid crossfire.

Gaming performance is now pretty decent with the inclusion of the Hybrid Crossfire capabilities. Overall system performance is good. Gaming is acceptable too.

These new better, faster variants are a welcome step up as I see it. I heard a rumor that the new platform's Hybrid Crossfire will be possible with faster, 7000 series Radeon cards
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# Great!iFLAME 2012-09-27 12:12
Fine effort Hank. I see an integrated part running circles around discrete graphics solutions in these benchmarks and think about those days I wasted trying dx 9 tittles on Intel extreme graphics - IGP gaming has truly come a long way! Considering even Intel's IvyBridge has graphics capable of running Skyrim @low/medium, I envy today's youngsters.

At this rate, I might be able to do away with the graphics card sooner than I thought ;)
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# hmmmmm.....dlb 2012-09-27 19:19
To be honest, I did not every comment, but many seem to be either complaints that the review wasn't "fair" or it didn't "test with my game/ benchmark of preference" or people were making requests for testing and benchmarks that that suited their needs..... well, TOO BAD!!! I've been following BMR for quite some time, and they do not take payola, the report the facts as they find 'em regardless of who does the review or testing, and from what I've seen (and from what I would personally do) BMR does not take requests from people saying "hey, I liked this, but can test 'GPU/APU/CPU model X against GPU/APU/CPU model Y just for me? I know you may not have everything on hand, but I don't care, get it and do it just for ME". OK - rant is over. I found this preview interesting and informative; the APUs are a 'somewhat' new and evolving technology, and any new info is OK with me. Well done BMR!!!
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# oooopsdlb 2012-09-27 19:25
I have some typos above . . . . there should be a "read" between the word "not" and the word "every" . . . . I typed "that" twice in a row . . . there's a "the" where I forgot the "y" and it should read "they" right before the word "report" . . . . and I I left out the word "you" between the word "but" and the word "can" . . . OOOOPS . . . one should not rant after 5 bottles of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
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# I dunno, you did pretty good...Bruce 2012-09-27 19:35
I wouldn't have been able to hit the keyboard with individual fingers after 5 bottles of ale... LOL
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# RE: oooopsiFLAME 2012-09-28 11:16
even with the influence of Ale, your post makes sense :)Calling someone unfair and bias for not sharing the same views and angles as you do goes in line with the narrow mind set and arrogance prevalent in many sites and forums, which by the way is very unfortunate! People tend to forget that reviewers don't have to publish stuffs to their likings as long as they remain genuine and relevant. I follow BMR not because they share my personal views and opinions about hardware, but for facts and results based on real-time tests conducted by real people!

But I don't see anything wrong in people requesting certain pieces of hardware/benchmarks to be included in future testings. They're simply interested in seeing how these new APUs measure up under certain conditions and set-ups. Permutation and assumption are a big part of benchmarking, nothing wrong in that.

I understand reviewers were constrained from sharing all the data as this wasn't a full blown review. Even then Hank did a great job of highlighting useful bits in this preview. I'll be looking forward to the part-II.
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# RE: AMD Trinity APU A10-5800K & A8-5600K PreviewKenneth Almquist 2012-09-30 23:07
"Ivy Bridge is backwards compatible."

Well, sort of. I own an Intel DB65AL motherboard, which only supports Sandy Bridge. So I can't upgrade to Ivy Bridge without buying a new motherboard.
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# AMD APU A10 benchmarking notes.Reuben Gathright 2012-10-01 12:44
Please make sure you run a few tests on your new AMD APU's with the DDR3 memory speed itself overclocked as far as it will possibly go on the FM2 motherboard.

Here are the results of my own tests, I am very curious to find out if AMD disabled this feature on the new Socket FM2.
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# Mr.Jay 2013-03-10 20:40
I bought an A10-5800k APU with ASUS FM2 motherboard with GPU Boost, I can play Call of duty MW3 in 1920x1200, 2x Anti-Alias and open all effects, very smoothly, I think it's better 3870 and close to 4870 card, but when I use Unigine Valley and Unigine 4,0 benchmark to test it in same resolution, 2x, extreme effect it only get around 10 fps, so suggest use the game u want play to test, don't only see benchmark
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