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Written by David Ramsey   
Sunday, 10 October 2010
Table of Contents: Page Index
Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintosh
Hackintosh Roadblocks
Hardware Requirements
The Installation, and Problems
Hackintosh Performance
PC vs Mac Cost Comparison
Hackintosh: Final Thoughts and Conclusion

Hackintosh Performance

I wanted to update my 2006-vintage Mac Pro to get better performance. The hardware I used for my Hackintosh should provide a significant performance boost relative to my old Mac Pro:

Apple Mac Pro PC Hackintosh
CPU Two dual-core 2.66GHhz Xeons One quad-core 4.0GHz Core i7-920
RAM 9GB 667MHz ECC DDR2 FB-DIMM 12GB 1520MHz DDR3
Video NVIDIA 8800 GT Mac Edition ATI Radeon 5870
Primary HD Two WD Barracuda 7200.10 500G in RAID 0 One WD VelociRaptor 600

For benchmarking, I used CINEBENCH 11.5 (yes, there's a Mac version), Handbrake video encoding, and GeekBench to compare the performance of the Hackintosh with my existing Mac Pro.

CINEBENCH R11.5 Benchmarks

Maxon Cinebench is a real-world test suite that assesses the computer's performance capabilities. Cinebench is based on Maxon's award-winning animation software, Cinema 4D, which is used extensively by studios and production houses worldwide for 3D content creation. Maxon software has been used in blockbuster movies such as Spider-Man, Star Wars, The Chronicles of Narnia and many more. Cinebench Release 11.5 includes the ability to more accurately test the industry's latest hardware, including systems with up to 64 processor threads and the testing environment better reflects the expectations of today's production demands. A more streamlined interface makes testing systems and reading results incredibly straightforward.

The Cinebench R11.5 test scenario uses all of a system's processing power to render a photorealistic 3D scene, "No Keyframes" the viral animation by AixSponza. This scene makes use of various algorithms to stress all available processor cores. The OpenGL graphics card testing procedure uses a complex 3D scene depicting a car chase with which the performance of your graphics card in OpenGL mode is measured. During the benchmark tests the graphics card is evaluated by way of displaying an intricate scene that includes complex geometry, high-resolution textures, and a variety of effects to evaluate the performance across a variety of real-world scenarios. The chart below summarizes the benchmark results.

CINEBENCH R11.5
Apple Mac Pro PC Hackintosh % Difference
OpenGL FPS 18.9 40.5 +114%
Multi-Core Render 2.75 6.95 +153%
Single-Core Render 0.75 1.39 +85%

With a modern video card, faster processor, and faster memory, the Hackintosh thoroughly trounces the Mac Pro. The CineBench rendering test uses Hyper-Threading if it's available, and the eight virtual cores from the i7-920 CPU have a decided advantage over the four real cores from the pair of Xeons in the Mac Pro.

GeekBench 2.1.6 Benchmarks

Primate Labs' GeekBench is a "one-click" benchmark utility that performs a number of processor and memory tests; it does not test video cards or disk I/O. There are 12 integer CPU tests, 14 floating-point CPU tests, 5 basic memory tests, and 8 memory bandwidth tests. All tests comprise a mixture of single-threaded and multi-threaded versions. It produces a weighted composite score based on the individual scores.

GeekBench 2.1.6
Apple Mac Pro PC Hackintosh % Difference
Integer 6078 12176 +100%
Floating Point 9576 21248 +122%
Memory 2231 6631 +177%
Mem. Bandwidth 1916 5802 +203%
Composite 6116 13605 +122%

"Pure synthetic" benchmarks like GeekBench are generally poor predictors of real-world performance. However, the results here seem to be roughly in line with what we're seeing in the other benchmark tests.

Handbrake 0.9.4 Benchmark

Few consumer applications will make good use of a six-core processor, or even a four-core processor. Extra cores can give you a system that remains responsive when performing a computationally-intensive background task, but will rarely accelerate the execution of an individual program. There are several reasons for this:

  • Few users have more than two cores. According to Steam's August 2010 statistics, dual-core systems comprise 54.77% of its users, quad-core systems 27.49%, and six-core systems a miniscule 0.03%. Thus developers tend to concentrate their efforts elsewhere.
  • Relatively few computational problems scale well with the number of threads available. (One common task that does is rendering, which is why modern video cards have dozens or hundreds of cores).
  • Writing good multithreaded code is difficult and time-consuming. Developers generally realize a better return on their effort for other code optimizations.

All that said, media transcoding (converting to a different format) is something that does scale well with the number of available cores, and the free and open-source Handbrake 0.94 video transcoder is an example of a program that makes full use of the computational resources available. For this test I used Handbrake 0.94 to transcode a standard-definition episode of Family Guy to the "iPhone & iPod Touch" presets. The encoding times are in seconds; lower is better.

Handbrake 0.9.4
Apple Mac Pro PC Hackintosh % Difference
391 178 -119%

The Core i7-920's eight Hyper-Threaded cores easily beat the old-school Xeons, encoding the video in less than half the time.



 

Comments 

 
# Nice Article.Servando Silva 2010-10-10 09:18
Wow David, you were releasing MacPaint 2.0 at apple's when I was just born!
This is such an interesting article. I've been tempted to build a hackintosh for years, and I've even downloaded all the software for my needs, but never finished the project as I don't see why should I use OSX (other than curiosity, for now).
You said you use Macs for all your serious work, but, should I ask which kind of work is it? I expect it to be something like design or similar, but it might be just me with a generic idea (many people think so) which could be wrong.
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# RE: Nice Article.David Ramsey 2010-10-10 15:29
More in MacPaint 2.0 here:

##folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Evolution_of_a_class ic.txt&topic=MacPaint&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium
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# RE: Nice Article.Doug 2010-10-10 21:54
Funny that people think MACS are for serious work, whereas PCs aren't.

Try to match this performance w/ a MAC Pro:

CPU: Intel 920 C0 stepping OC: 3.8 181 x 21
RAM: OCZ Gold 7-7-7-22-80 x12GBs @ 1448Ghz (Lots of headroom still)
vCore at load: 1.29
Ram v. 1.65
MB: Gig X58 U5 v.2 | BIOS FA
PSU: Kingwin 1000wt Mach 1 Modular
VIDEO: BFG GTX295
CASE: CMS 830 Stacker Aluminum

Note this build is almost two years old now.
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# RE: RE: Nice Article.Servando Silva 2010-10-10 22:14
I think you're missing something. David uses his MAC for HIS serious work, whereas you could use your PC, depending on your needs.
Again, I really don't need OS X for my work, and I doubt I'll need it soon. But I still can do "serious work" in my PC as many other people do. I do documents, write articles, do calculations and algorithms , program on ASP, C++,C#, edit photos, etc on my PC. That's just MY serious work.
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# uh huhGareth 2010-11-17 09:11
Cool, and what does your Quad-core have against the 12core in mac pros?

Mac pro's destroy your current set up.
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# RE: uh huhDavid Ramsey 2010-11-17 09:26
Sure, a 12-core Mac Pro would "destroy" my Hackintosh _in some cases_. Since I'm running at 4GHz, my machine would win against a dual-Xeon 12 core Mac in any CPU-bound test that couldn't use more than 8 threads effectively. Also, a 12-core Mac Pro has a base price of $4,999, compared to $2,000 for my system. Unless you're in a video production environment daily, that $3K goes a long way towards ameliorating the pain of not being able to encode quite as fast...
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# rendermand00d 2011-05-12 12:32
even in a video production environment its doing nothing, its rendered on network not on the one or two macs on the video network
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# Who thinks that?John S 2011-04-18 16:25
In my experience its the other way around. Macs are seen as fashionable toys for every use other than desktop publishing. They cost more because theyre shinier and rich people who don't actually use a computer for work like to have expensive shiny things.

Dont get me wrong here, I love MacOSX, its a lovely operating system, but I also use Ubuntu and Windows 7 on an almost daily basis and I have one conclusion: no one operating system is all things to all people. Pick what you like, just expect to pay more for the shininess of a Mac.
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# Inappropriate ComparisonHal 2010-10-10 09:34
I may have missed a line somewhere, but you're comparing a Hackintosh desktop to a MacBook Pro, so the pricing is totally out of line. I have an iMac, I can't remember the "official" screen size, but about 24" from corner to corner, and it cost me less than $2,000. Granted, I bought it from the refurb store, but if you're going to compare prices, don't compare a Hackintosh in a big box to a laptop.
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# Not inappropriate...Timmy 2010-10-10 11:48
He's talking about a Mac Pro, not a Macbook Pro. Mac Pro is the top-end desktop Mac. It's a very fair comparison.
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# AnonCowAC 2010-10-11 07:14
It's a Mac Pro *from 2006*. Would you build a PC today with 4 year old hardware?
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# RE: AnonCowJohn S 2011-04-18 16:30
Yes, frequently. Not everyone can afford the newest lines, or even the middle end lines of hardware from two or three years ago. Most of the machines I build are using architectures that are four years old or more because they cost a lot less. It doesn't have to be bleeding edge or even cutting edge to work properly and sufficiently.
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# More than a few lines...Olin Coles 2010-10-10 13:22
@Hal: This article has nothing to do with the Apple MacBook laptop. It's a fair comparison of Apple Mac Pro workstation versus the PC alternative.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshaberkae 2010-10-10 15:38
I love this comparison how much ppl are overpaying lol! im a pc 4 life
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# dramsey@neko.comDavid Ramsey 2010-10-10 16:01
Are people buying HP Z800s and Dell Precisions overpaying, too?
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# Apple = profitOlin Coles 2010-10-10 16:04
What kind of comparison is that? Add up the hardware in the latest Mac Pro workstation, and then tell us how much is left over as Apple Tax (profit).
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# RE: dramsey@neko.comaberkae 2010-10-10 16:31
offcourse! building your own PC is the cheapest way to go! i build my PC

Motherboard: ASUS rampage III ROG extreme edition
CPU: i7 980 xe OC to 4.3 ghz
GPUs: GTX 480s in dual sli settup sc edtion by EVGA
Drive: crucial real ssd drive c300 sta 6gig/sec sata connection 256gigs
corsair 6 gigs 2000 mhz 7 8 7 20 timings
case: corsair obsidian 800d (+ 3 coolermaster 2000 rpm @ 19dpi )
cooler: corsair H50
PSU: Anetc quad 1200 watt
OS: win 7 64 bit
for $4k

Dells configuration with similar specs not as good on the on the SSD, OCing,and memory, $5749 before shipping and taxes
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# Sounds like my PCDavid Ramsey 2010-10-10 17:35
Your configuration is almost identical to my Win 7 box: same motherboard, proc, and video cards!
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# RidiculousDerrick 2010-10-10 20:17
Man, I wish I had the money you guys have. I still consider myself to have the fastest PC at my school, and it's

ASUS P6X58D-E Premium
i7 920 (stock clock - CM V8 Air Cool)
GTX 480 (stock clock usually, sometimes an O.C.)
OCZ Gold 6GB 1600mhz
Antec 1200
Corsair TX 850W
win7 pro 64

ASUS 25.5" LCD (1920x1200) dual w/ Vizio 26" (720p) HDTV

Mine cost about 2500...after the mods I did (added cold cathodes, a modded military switch to the front of the case, and filled up the optional fan bays with good fans).
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# Little Apple tax on this class of systemDavid Ramsey 2010-10-10 16:15
Anand took a look a the relative cost of a Mac Pro vs. a similarly configured Dell workstation here:

##anandtech.com/show/3969/apple-mac-pro-mid-2010-review
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDoug 2010-10-10 17:05
can someone enlighten me as why someone would want to turn a PC into a MAC anyway? I'm assuming this is a one way tech in that those who want to use the Mac OS but want to OC it and can't because of the MAC hardware foundation. Whereas one happily using Win 7 would have no reason to build a PC running he MAC OS? From my experience, the MAC OS "ain't all that!" It has it's betterments over Win 7, but at this point, those differences are shrinking. If I'm right in my assumptions, I can see the true end of the MAC OS, once the word gets out that MAC is no longer "better" but both more proprietary and less flexible than Windows, underscored by the emergence of the Hackintosh.
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshaberkae 2010-10-10 17:17
ok sure, this is just to prove if you wanted to build your own mac its way cheaper then buying it from apple, thats what i got from it, i know what you mean though, mac is not my taste either!
@David Ramsey nice find!
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# RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDoug 2010-10-10 21:45
Ah ok thanks for the replies, all of you. I still just can't imagine going that far for the MAC platform. Again, like a girlfriend of mine use to say when I was in lust with another girl: "She ain't all that, Doug!"
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2010-10-10 17:29
You'd want to do this to run OS X, and by extension OS X programs. If you're happy with Win 7, don't bother. OS X is demonstrably much less proprietary than Windows...how much Windows source code does Microsoft make available?
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# RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDoug 2010-10-10 22:35
What I meant was that OSx anything is crippled by the lack of Open Source and private/free software that you can use with Windows platforms. Just a few include:

1. Open Office
2. WinAmp +full function plugins
3. ISO tools of many flavors
4. Gaming 3rd party apps
5. Encoders/converters/VOBs
6. Utilities, such as CPUz, SpeedFan (and the like)
7. Millions of things I could never do w/o
8. What software runs more efficiently or faster under MAC than under Win7 x64?

I think people buy Macs for the very reason people who buy PCs will never use MACS--options.

What do you gain buy using the MAC OS that you do not have with Win 7 Ultimate x64?
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 07:47
Doug, you really should do a little research before making silly pronouncements like this. Saying that OS X is "crippled by the lack of Open Source and private/free software" is stupid.

1. Open Office is a Java-based system and has been available for the Mac since day one. The Mac version is mentioned on the home page of OpenOffice.org, fer crissakes.
2. iTunes is free for every Mac. There are dozens of free plugins for iTunes.
3. Standard OS X handles ISOs just fine. Imaging, burning, etc.
4. Gaming. OK, I'll give you that one. But we're getting there...Steam for the Mac!
5. Encoders/converters/VOBs. You did read the article, right? Handbrake? Not to mention VLC and others.
6. There are lots of utilities available for the Mac. iStat, smcFanControl, etc.
7. Dunno what things you could "never do without", so I can't respond here.
8. Professional video and audio software for one.
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# Nice article... here are a few nitsGeoff 2010-10-11 10:10
Very nice article! I saw a few nits in the article and in the comment I'm replying to:

1. Apple doesn't use a TPM for OS X. Several currently supported machines don't even have them, IIRC. Here's a good detailed explanation: ##osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter7/tpmdrmmyth/

2. Open Office uses a little java, but it not "java-based" for most sane definitions you could apply to that term. The vast bulk of it is written in C++. And it hasn't been around for Mac since day one by any stretch. That port took a couple of years once the source was released.

3. The earliest hackintosh work was definitely not done on netbooks. People started building hackintoshes practically as soon as an intel build leaked from one of the transition kits, late 2005. The netbook craze started sometime in 2007.

These are definitely just nits, though. I like the thrust of your article.
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# nitsDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 10:18
Hi Geoff. Thanks for the corrections, and glad you liked the article.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDoug 2010-10-11 15:57
This is the first thread I've seen that has me backtracking on this subject. Thanks for waking me out of dogmatic slumber.

Took your advice and started doing some updated research, and I was really happy with the changes in the MAC OS.

I've never liked Windows as a platform, and liked it only as a OS because of the multitude of software options available for it--that's the ONLY reason. I was under the wrong impression that the MAC OS was another Windows type platform, but with much less options for Open Source and 3rd party software. Using BSD is just a no brainer, and I never understood why Gates or Jobs didn't adopt Unix as a core in the 70s. If I were Bill Gates, this is what would scare me the most--BSD! Windows core can never compete with BSD.

I don't want iTunes--Yucki. Thanks for slapping me.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshd00d 2011-05-12 12:42
install BSD mr fresh, its free
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2011-05-12 14:17
BSD won't run on a Mac. It's easier to get Windows running...
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshVolker Lanz 2010-10-12 04:59
OpenOffice.org is not Java-based. It's 99% C++ with some tacked-on-java for religious reasons from Sun. Some hope this will be reverted now with LibreOffice.
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# OS X NOT crippled!Bart 2010-10-11 09:14
Doug,
OS X is a fully certified Unix operating system. And because it is, there are 10's of THOUSANDS of *nix applications available for it. MacPorts.org has specific ports of thousands of popular unix utils and apps that run great under OS X.

Bart
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# RE: OS X NOT crippled!Doug 2010-10-11 15:58
Bart--yes I am seeing the light now. I was really ignorant of this fact.
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# A bit sillylwatcdr 2010-10-11 12:15
Just about every think on your list is available on the Mac.
I do use Windows 7, XP, OS/X and Linux and don't find any of the OSs that much better. I do like that that ISO tools are not needed for the most part on Linux or the mac since they are baked in.
As to the millions of things you can not do without? Like what?
Really I would have to say your post comes from a point of ignorance and arrogance.
OS/X is a very good environment it is just different from windows 7. Windows 7 has gotten much better and is a better OS than XP or that stinker Vista.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshGareth 2010-11-17 09:14
What do you gain? A stable operating system. To some people that work on their pc's instead of play games; this is a very serious reason to choose OSX.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshJustin Splain 2011-05-18 23:56
"What do you gain buy using the MAC OS that you do not have with Win 7 Ultimate x64?"

Final Cut Pro
Logic Pro

You know, the good production programs!
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# Final Cut Pro?Mario 2012-07-16 19:44
Final Cut Pro? You never used Lightworks I guess, by far superior over Final Cut... And runs on Windows....
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshOlin Coles 2010-10-10 19:38
@ Doug: Hankintosh PCs are for people who can't afford or don't want to pay the premium for an Apple Mac Pro workstation. The other 90% or more of the Windows market usually keeps to their PCs and merely dabble in the dark lust that is Apple.
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# DudeHwood 2010-10-12 10:35
The point of running OSX on standard pc hardware.
I brought 3 Dell mini 10 computers for members of my family. I work on computers 9 to 10 hours a day and would like to rest when I get home. I do not want to remove viruses, or be bothered with other issues with windows.
I installed OSX on all three and have not had any problems at all. Recently my wife received a toshiba running windows 7 and the feces hit the fan. Now I have to deal with her computer randomly disabling her wifi card and the annoying av warnings. WTF?
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshGareth 2010-11-17 09:13
From your experience? These comments only come from people who haven't even used Mac OSX
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# Good write up.RealNeil 2010-10-10 17:13
I've thought about doing this myself a few times, but the problems that others were going through made me hold back. I see now that it's easier than it used to be. I like having a Mac around for some tasks and just sold my iMac 24" to a family member in a "family" deal that they could never find elsewhere. This may be a way to replace my Mac without breaking the bank. Maybe one could do this with less powerful hardware, and for much less money and still get that good, stable Mac reliability and function too.
I can't see me ever giving up my Windows based gaming PC's, but having a Mac around is nice.
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# Bad benchmarkFederico La Morgia 2010-10-10 20:59
Same hardware for the benchmark !!!!
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# RE: Bad benchmarkOlin Coles 2010-10-10 21:06
You have no idea what you're talking about. You CAN'T have the same hardware, because the Apple motherboard and memory type are proprietary.
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# RE: RE: Bad benchmarkFederico La Morgia 2010-10-10 22:38
ok but at least they should have the same technical.
You can not compare a dual-xeon platform by comparing it with a platform corei7.
You can not compare a 8800GT with a 5870!
everything is just ridiculous!
does not say anything about the performance difference to the level that is if using hardware and software other than the official macintosh but with similar performance characteristics may change.
It 'obvious that if you prepare a configuration much more handsome than the official Macintosh, the first will be better!
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# RE: RE: RE: Bad benchmarkDerrick 2010-10-11 04:31
That's the thing Federico. It's HALF the price with BETTER hardware. I'm not trying to start an Apple/MS war, but that's just the obvious being pointed out and we both know it.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad benchmarkFederico La Morgia 2010-10-11 04:42
But it would be nice to see how the same processor, amount of ram, harddisk and a non-genuine software / hardware problems with cracked had not specifically apple.
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# RE: Yo!rrdonovan 2010-10-11 06:01
Hmmm If you have the same processor, ram, hardisk, and hardware, then you have another MAC!
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# RE: RE: Bad benchmarkDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 08:13
Well, not the memory...Mac Pros use industry-standard ECC DDR3 modules. Mac Minis use SODIMM DDR3 memory and iMacs use standard desktop DDR3 modules.
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# RE: RE: RE: Bad benchmarkOlin Coles 2010-10-11 08:44
But the memory is specific to the Apple motherboard, and desktop motherboards don't generally support ECC DDR3.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Bad benchmarkDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 08:56
The memory controller's in the processor these days, and all Xeon processors support ECC memory. There's nothing magic, special, or proprietary about the memory Apple uses in Mac Pros. ASUS lists some ECC memory in their Qualified Memory Vendor list for the P6TV2 Deluxe motherboard, but presumably you'd have to be using a Xeon processor to make use of it.
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# Hackintosh or Likintoshrrdonovan 2010-10-11 05:53
If your Hackintosh is fast, I can just imagine how fast it can run under OpenSuse. I mean, isn't Mac OS a Linux derivative? Whoa! I wonder how many clients a PC of that magnitude can comfortably run under Linux terminal services? 1000 - 2000 terminals? OK, now you got me going here. That is my next project. Thanks for the insight
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# RE: Hackintosh or LikintoshI will bite 2010-10-11 07:55
1. Open Office is available for OSX
2. If you're really concerned with how many different wave form generators you can play with, then so be it.
3. Disk Utility handles all drive imaging functions
4. Meh, I make money with my Mac.
5. OSX can read and produce any video format
6. Meh again
7. oooo, burn
8. Mac OSX. nuff said
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# RE: Hackintosh or LikintoshDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 08:14
Actually, I run OpenSUSE 11.3 on a dual-core Atom based system, and it's pretty perky. I could also run it on Parallels, as I do Windows, but more on that in another article.
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# more than niceresere 2010-10-11 08:38
i'm not a fan of mac. i respect mac.

so, as some1 state earlier, if this is not the "road to awe" for mac (and maybe it's not) it is clear a proof that if u know what u're doin' u can achieve better results by yourself, scr*win' the "brand machines" either mac or pc.
yes it has drawbacks. but to me the more important is that IT WORKS. the gap between Win and OS is smaller every day. from my professional POV, mac has FCP. the only big deal nowadays. but that's just me.
And yes there are still reasons to do this hybrid. the best one is to research, to find out, to solve to know how. this way we'll be out of the blurry minds republica who pay only cause they can't. or don't know how. and companies LOVE that. apple, windows, etc.
Ah, and if u disagree with this i have the perfect solution: buy a notebook mac AND a console. u'll be happy like an sheik (no offence) with an S-klasse. and never know what's inside. seems fair to me.
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# Correction - NeXTeeun 2010-10-11 08:41
@ "Since Steve Jobs' return in the early part of the century as part of Apple's acquisition of NeXT"

That was a deal finalized in 1996, with Jobs taking CEO position at Apple in 1997. So that would be late last century, not the early part of this one.
Whither journalism.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshMac Bastard 2010-10-11 09:21
....getting real, you only listed two Cons at the conclusions.
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 09:26
Um, no, I listed four Cons...
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# Mac OS comes from BSDJ. Benedict 2010-10-11 09:57
Hi:

Mac OS is built on BSD not Linux.

To me, it isn't so much running Mac OS on non-Apple hardware. It's getting a midrange, expandable hardware platform. I don't need raw horsepower for what I do but want to poke around, add drives, RAID etc. that isn't possible on Macs lower than the MacPro. I have preferred a U*ix based OS to Windows (and pre-OSX Macintosh). When OSX came out, I though I was in the land of milk and honey. As Linux has matured, it is getting closer and closer to a 'no brainer' OS which has the open source and U*nx capabilities of OSX. So, to me, it's a case of a Hackintosh or running a U*nix workalike on midrange hardware. Right now, if Apple doesn't bring out expandable midrange hardware, I might be going Linux/NetBSD/OpenBSD/FreeBSD....
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# RE: Mac OS comes from BSDDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 10:02
The lack of an expandable midrange Mac is frustrating to enthusiasts. However, it's hard to argue for from a marketing standpoint: I imagine that not one person in a hundred ever adds any hardware to their pre-built computer, other than perhaps memory.
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# RE: Mac OS comes from BSDDoug 2010-10-11 16:00
this is now what I see too. Go MAC, if not only to push the gap closed between what should have been in the first place--nix based OS's.
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# Apples and oranges!Chris Dennett 2010-10-11 10:43
PC Hackintosh total cost: $2,048.05
Apple Mac Pro total cost: $3,974.00

This in itself is crap -- the $3,974 refers to the 12 core version, the Hacintosh is only using a 4 core processor. The actual price for a 4 core Mac Pro is £1999 (although it does say 'starting at', maybe you don't get as good a graphics card.

Anyway, it's a frigging apples and oranges comparison. Also, the benchmarks are comparing a Hackintosh against a 4 year old Mac Pro.
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# RE: Apples and oranges!Chris Dennett 2010-10-11 10:45
Sorry, the price in dollars on the US store for the 4-core version is $2,499.00.
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# RE: Apples and oranges!David Ramsey 2010-10-11 12:18
No, $3,974 is the price of the four core version with 12G of memory and a Radeon 5870 video card,configured to match the Hackintosh, as I explicitly pointed out in the section on cost comparison. You should go through the configurator yourself before declaring my figures "crap."

I never made any secret about the Mac Pro being four years old. In fact looking for upgrade options for this machine is kind of the point of the article.
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# RE: RE: Apples and oranges!Ben 2010-10-12 21:51
You could shave a great deal off the price by doing what a Mac Pro is designed to do: upgrade it after you?ve already bought it. By buying your 12GB of RAM from a 3rd-party and installing after delivery of the Mac Pro you could save nearly $1000. Not that you can do much (if anything) about the video card, but surely $2,974 for the Mac Pro vs. $2,048 is a more accurate representation of potential price than sticking to Apple?s over-inflated RAM pricing.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshdeveloper dude 2010-10-11 11:54
Just a note: most Mac savy people never buy Apple memory - they get the minimum config from Apple (in this case 3 GB) and then buy memory from a third party, like OWC. For example, in this case, getting a 2010 gen quad core MacPro with 3 GB base config is $2500. Add 8 more GB from OWC is another $250 (or 12 more GB for $350) and you have a quad core Mac Pro with 11 to 15 GB for $2750 to $2850, not $4000. Yes, Apple must make a tremendous profit on their memory modules - they are certainly hugely over-priced.

Now, add in the cost for your time to build it and maintain it every time a new update comes out or you want to change the config, and the difference between this particular Hackintosh config may or may not be worth it to you. I earn that difference in about one to two days, so it just isn't worth it to me. Plus I earn my living on my Mac so I can't afford to have it go flaky because of a software update.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshdeveloper dude 2010-10-11 11:56
As for why someone would want a Mac:

1) I do cross platform development. On a Mac, with the help of VMWare (or Parallels, or Virtual Box), I can run just about any OS I want, including OSX, all at the same time. Can you run OSX inside Windows or Linux? Not that easily.

2) I want to work, not fiddle with the OS all the time. For the most part OSX requires much less of my time in this regard.

3) In order to develop with multiple OSes, I needed a system with plenty of memory capacity to run the VMs which are fair memory hogs. At the time I bought my MacPro, it was one of the few systems that could be configured with up to 32 GB of RAM and have both the host and guest OSes use all of that RAM. Others (like Dell) were pretty close to the same price, but didn't run OSX. It saves me a lot of time and effort to have such a system.
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshghajini08 2010-10-16 11:50
yeah.... you can run vmware in windows.....the same bunch of people who hackintosh also have successfully run osx leopard and snowleopard inside windows ..... that was to clear doubts a lot of people like you had....
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# RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2010-10-26 19:12
Actually you can run OSX out of VirtualBox which is completely free. VBox is built for Windows and Linux. Pretty simple to install and use. There are some things you need to be educated on like having a VT processor. But for a few hours of study for quite a bit of money... well you do the math. But you are right. For some people a Mac is the way to go. When your paycheck is on the line, don't take chances. And, hey, without the Mac, we wouldn't even have the Hackintosh. I will probably buy several Mac's in my lifetime to show my support to a company I respect.
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# it is what it is...a realist 2010-10-11 13:23
Thanks for the great write up! You state what you are trying to accomplish, and demonstrate it. (too bad some people judge before reading)

I'll admit, I paid the price to get my MacBook over a windows laptop, and I'd do it all over. I am not an Apple fan boy, I really get annoyed at their politics and policies. BUT, they make great products! Yes, from a total hardware point of view, Macs are more expensive. But the OS is LIGHTYEARS more capable. FreeBSD at the core, awesome user interface, bundled with all kinds of GREAT software (not stupid crapware OEM vendors tend to include). And the best reason of all, no headache. Although I am a developer, I rarely enjoy making my computer work. I just want it to. Printers, scanners, cameras, networking - all worked with very little effort.

With all that being said, I have considered a Hackintosh. Mostly for geek cred, but also to save a little dough. Seeing how it keeps getting easier, it might not be long.
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# -Dale Chapman 2010-10-11 13:40
Been using a nice $500 Quad Core hackintosh for almost 2.5 years now. Also built a kick-ass little mac mini replacement out of a zotac board. There's definitely a learning curve (getting native video and sleep to work).

But after about a month of use you really get used to it, and the price/performance comparison is totally mad.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshmetalmorphasis 2010-10-11 18:06
For whatever its worth $ its PC all the way for me. No imitations and no pretending! I can build my machine my own way and update as needed,with many parts being reasonable. I can push it to the limit or wind it way down.
I can do video & music, run programs and play all the games I want.
No problems no hastles. (No need to be a rocket scientist just yet either) And yes viruses do exist but its not safe out there, we all need to be vigilant PC or no PC. And last but not least, Happy Anniversary Windows 7! Love ya!
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# Price comparisionAlain 2010-10-11 21:11
In your otherwise excellent article, you compare a 4000$ Mac Pro configuration with a 2000$ hackintosh. Now, Apple RAM is ridiculously overpriced, that's why the Mac Pro is so expensive. If you buy your RAM elsewhere, the price drops dramatically. 12GB Ram costs 369$ at OWC, the total cost of the Mac Pro then drops to 3000$. This makes the Hackintosh quite a bit less attractive. And since everybody who's interested in a Hackintosh will probably know how to swap RAM, I think this is a better base for comparision.
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# RE: Price comparisionDavid Ramsey 2010-10-11 21:41
It's a fair point, Alain, and one I went back and forth on. But it's hard to do a repeatable comparison by picking and choosing from various third party options whose prices may vary, so I went with the pure Apple configuration as a known baseline.
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# RE: RE: Price comparisionAlain 2010-10-12 03:37
I'm a film editor, so I really need a Mac Pro for expandability. I thought about going the Hackintosh route, but since the Mac Pro's aren't that more expensive than comparable PC's, I decided not to take any risks.

I believe that a Hackintosh can be fun to build, if you just consider it as a hobby, or if you have some components lying around. Perfect as a cheap alternative for a Mac Mini. For Pro users, the benefits are far outweighed by the lack of support, lack of resale value, and the fact that in the long run it won't be that much cheaper.

About the Apple Store Prices, I just received my new 6core Westmere 3.33GHz and very happy with it. Fitted it with 4x 2TB Hitachi's for 1 big RAID volume, an OZC 90GB SSD boot drive in the spare Optical Drive bay and 12Gb of Kingston Ram. Total price 4600$ and I still have a spare 1TB disk :-) On the Apple store this config would sell for +6300$.
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# RE: RE: RE: Price comparisionDoug 2010-10-12 16:07
PCs can't run film editing tools?

I think some of you, if performance is what you are after, should consider learning to overclock CPUs like the Intel 920 series, preferably the D0 stepping flavor. My rig smokes some Xeons rigs in benchmarking utilities. I run at 3.8Ghz and can run 24-7 in Prime 95 under HEAT at 70C at am ambient of 22C all day long. The performance of this type of rig is simply no joke, even when using server type benchmarking tools. The CPU and Motherboard cost around 550USD. RAM is, well, RAM and prices vary.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDoug 2010-10-12 00:01
This entire discussion has gotten me thinking that a good article would be where this is all going. My only criteria for choosing an OS is simple, other than reliability which is a must of course. Scalability in all ways software. I don't want to be stuck in an OS and have little or no choices. It seems like a lot of MAC users who are confronted with the question of software choices like to say that they don't need or really care about having lots of software options. They are not power users like some of us. This was the big complaint with Windows over hard core Linux fans--too locked down. This changes and now most options are Windows based. So where might this "open-ness" take us? Hopefully to a land far away from Win and MAC OSes, or, best of both worlds, where both Win and MAC run on Open Source platforms--and then we have true competition. Would be an interesting article.
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# Don't forget Mac resale valueWylyQuimby 2010-10-12 01:23
It should be noted that his old Mac could be sold on eBay for about $1200. Always factor that in to a build-it-yourself upgrade. What will the Hackintosh be worth in four years?
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# Apple's a hardware company! There's no "Mac" anymoreWaltSee 2010-10-12 07:10
I'm glad that the author here has an open mind and can certainly see how the hoops he had to jump through were all artificial barriers erected by a company which devalues its OS software almost to the point of giving it away while charging >50% gross margins on the Intel Mac Pro hardware that Apple sells. I think doing this was a real eye opener for Ramsey.

EFI is an Intel technology just like everything else in the Mac. Apple uses it because it creates a more formidable barrier to using OS X on non-Apple hardware. There is no technical reason that OS X shouldn't run on any x86 hardware, but it doesn't simply because Apple doesn't want it to, because then Apple loses its >50% hardware margins, etc.

Ramsey's experience dates back to a time when there were material differences between the the hardware in a Mac and the hardware in a PC. As he has discovered, such hardware differences no longer exist and today's "Mac" in indeed a 100% PC.
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# RE: Apple's a hardware company! There's no "Mac" anymoreDavid Ramsey 2010-10-12 07:45
Not exactly. Apple's lock on the hardware that "officially" supports OS X has significant advantages to the consumer, which I'll go into in another article. And as others have noted, the Mac Pro's price is competitive in the Xeon workstation market; Apple's only real problem here is the lack of a mid-range expandable machine.
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# RE: RE: Apple's a hardware company! There's no "Mac" anymoreAlain 2010-10-12 09:33
True. The fact that Apple only needs drivers for the components it carefully selects is a big bonus for the user. Windows needs to cope with everything the user throws at it.
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# RE: Apple's a hardware company! There's no "Mac" anymoreAlain 2010-10-12 09:30
Not true for a Mac Pro. Dell or HP workstations of the same class cost the same or even more and don't look that good :-)
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# Almost forgot--Warranties!WaltSee 2010-10-12 07:18
Ramsey need not worry about warranties when building his OS X PC, because each of the components he selected comes with its own warranty direct from the manufacturer, and many of those warranties (3-5 years for some components) are far in excess of the meager 1-year warranty Apple provides on its own OS X PCs. Having been buried for so long in the lore of all things Mac, I wouldn't be surprised if he was simply unaware of this. (I was buried myself for eight years in Amiga lore and can sympathize...;))
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# RE: Almost forgot--Warranties!David Ramsey 2010-10-12 07:50
Duh. I've been aware of this since building my own 386-based system many years ago. But component-level warranties require me to diagnose hardware problems to the component level myself; and of course don't address software compatibility problems at all. This is why it's called a "HACKintosh"; you're entirely on your own for service and support. Which is fine for folks like you and me, but not so great for most people. Remember, with a real Mac you're not just buying a computer; you're buying Apple's service and support, which is one reason (as my article noted) for their industry-leading customer satisfaction.
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# Minor errorWayne 2010-10-12 09:37
Good article so far, but I need to correct you on a mistake: The case you chose to use was released in a limited (I think it was only 1,000) run for sale and was used for MaximumPC's Dream Machine in 2008.
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# RE: Minor errorWayne 2010-10-12 09:38
Ooops - make that 25! ##maximumpc.com/article/features/dream_machine_08?page=0,3
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# RE: RE: Minor errorDavid Ramsey 2010-10-12 13:00
Having been a Maximum PC subscriber since it was known as "Boot", I knew about this...but 25 cases (which were sold out within a week) doesn't really count as "retail distribution", IMHO.

Thought about having my case chromed the same way until I realized that it cost $5,000!
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# Different StrokesCrunchy Steve 2010-10-12 12:08
If I want a Mac, that's my business, not yours. If you want a Windows box, that's your business, not mine. If I want a cheap Mac, and don't mind doing it in breach of the EULA, and don't mind the extra work to get it up and running, that's my business, not yours.

You don't know what I want a computer for. I might spend 8 hours of every day of my life struggling with a #ty corporate PC and just want a Mac for a change of view. I might specifically need Final Cut or Logic for work reasons and where other NLEs or DAWs may not suitable for the niche I might work in. Similar arguments probably apply for why you want a PC.

There is no "Apple tax." There is a price I'm willing to pay for a product I want or need, just as a Hyundai will get you from A to B reliably and cheaply, people still buy BMWs for perfectly valid reasons.

It takes all kinds, and snarking about choice of platform says more about you than the person you snark against.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDoug 2010-10-12 15:44
Like I said. I'd like an article based on the meta analysis of where the BSD MAC platform will take us. What does this mean for Windows? If Windows had come about 10 years ago, when BSD was around and robust, it never would have gotten off the ground--developers would have said something like "Why should we reinvent the wheel, when we have it right here? Let's just give BSD a GUI and solid front end, and let 3rd parties fill in the gaps for profit or specific needs."

Still a lot of ignorance on both sides here. I've used Windows since it's first iteration back in 1988. Since WinXP I have never had a virus. It depends on how you protect your platform, not the platform itself. My Win7 station is set up to scan on execute, before and after, automatically, and with Windows "roaming" service, and some good anti-virus programs running in the background, and configured correctly, I've never had a virus EVER since Win XP SP2.
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# Good JobJack 2010-10-12 19:03
Great article, very good read...Well done!
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# Making IDE workPiSToLBR 2010-10-13 06:42
Install AppleVIAATA.kext in /extra/extensions and run the Kext Utility.

I have the same mobo and It works for me.

PiSToL
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# RE: Making IDE workDavid Ramsey 2010-10-13 08:17
I've tried that before, but with no success. Are you also running an optical drive on a SATA port? Or just one on the IDE port?
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# Making IDE workPiSToLBR 2010-10-13 12:08
Well, It doesn't work if you are planning install Mac OS from It. But It works fine when using Mac OS. I just have one optical drive and It's plugged in the IDE port.

You could try also SuperVIAATA kext found in

##kexts.com/view/337-superviaata.html

But It only works in 64 bit enviroment.

Good Luck,
PiSToL
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# Final CommentRenderer 2010-10-13 10:14
I use a Hackintosh at work, in a production environment, with dual xeon nehalems and a HD4890.
I built it four months ago and it was my first try. It's being used in a research lab for structural protein work.
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# RE: Final CommentDavid Ramsey 2010-10-13 11:48
Brave man. Whose motherboard are you using?
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# More or less the same machineDaksha 2010-10-14 00:39
The machine itself:
##youtube.com/watch?v=2MHQZ_Mubhk
And running an heavy Cubase project:
##youtube.com/watch?v=0iA-q0PZCss
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# ghajini08ghajini08 2010-10-16 11:40
dude.... you have gotten quite confused it seems...

the OSX86 community is way beyond your "Upgrading might break your system"...

because now most of your patches (mostly just one or two) now reside in a Single folder.... the only problem one would get is if they do not remove the sleepenabler kext...

also you used an Asus mb..... most hackintoshers know that gigabyte boards are just tooo good.....

look around on the forums...you will realize ppl are running and updating their "ihacks" without any problems.....

spend some more time hackintoshing ..you will realize its easy
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# RE: ghajini08David Ramsey 2010-10-16 16:58
Well, not really: ask anyone who upgraded from 10.6.3 to 10.6.4 and discovered their audio didn't work any more. Still, the overall situation looks pretty good.

An ASUS motherboard is what I had available, and it's working well, except for the damn IDE port. But I can live without that.
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# RE: RE: ghajini08ghajini08 2010-11-01 09:48
well....that audio problem seems to be solved for many ppl now........\
you can easily edit your dsdt file for that purpose...
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# Bootcampdavid 2010-10-18 05:18
one important fact I think you've missed in an other wise Brilliant write up, no ones ever got Bootcamp to work on a Hackintosh. (as OSX can't attribute a boot volume)

I think that's still true. be happy to know if some one knows differently
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# RE: BootcampDavid Ramsey 2010-10-18 08:05
A very dicey and experimental method (read the warnings!) of getting Boot Camp working on a Hackintosh is here:

#prasys.info/2009/10/boot-camp-for-hackintoshes/

Of course, it would be a lot easier to simply boot Windows from another partition or drive. The only thing Boot Camp buys you (that I know of) is easier access to files on the Mac part of the disk.
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# RE: RE: Bootcampdavid 2010-10-18 14:20
wow thanks for that, hmm not going to try it though or maybe I might, I use sun systems free Vbox to Run XP pro through my hackintosh it's as close to M$ (out side of work) as I want to get..
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# RE: Bootcampghajini08 2010-11-01 09:51
ther is absolutely no need to get bootcamp working for osx86......
boot camp is specifically for macs....

here you are supposed to use the usual Chameleon bootloader....its really good....
otherwise use Grub from linux....
there is also a chinese guy who makes one called Bootthink...
you see booting is quite flexible ......
bbesides bootcamp works only EFI systems and most of our mobo's arent EFI ones....
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# ASUS P6T Deluxe V2Michael Rygaard 2010-10-25 03:17
ASUS P6TV2 Deluxe motherboard: $269.99 the correct name for that is :

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
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# Cooling ?Michael Rygaard 2010-10-25 03:34
What do you use for cooling ?
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# RE: Cooling ?David Ramsey 2010-10-25 07:01
The Blackbird case I used came with a customized Asetek water cooling system with an integrated pump/water block and 240mm dual-fan radiator.
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# applicationsmatahary 2010-10-26 12:50
What about applications like cs5 and final cut studio?
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# RE: applicationsDavid Ramsey 2010-10-26 12:52
The Adobe CS5 suite works fine. I don't have Final Cut Studio.
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# RE: applicationsflynflip 2010-10-26 18:46
I am using final cut pro and Adobe CS5 with zero problems on my Hackintosh. As a matter of fact, I have found absolutely nothing that does not work like a true Mac. I actually have three Hackintoshes. A netbook, my p6t build and an older pentium with Leopard 10.5.2. The only one with limitations is the pentium because Apple requires 10.5.8 for some apps. I haven't worked with getting it upgraded. Also, I have snow leopard installed in virtual box on another computer I use for business.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2010-10-26 18:25
Nice, solid, fluid article. I don't usually get in the Mac vs. PC tiffs, but a couple points: I avoid calling non-Mac hardware "PC" anymore. Many relate PC synonymously with Windows. I could make solid arguments both ways for Win vs. OSX, but Mac hardware vs. PC hardware tougher. Apple makes great aesthetically pleasing hardware. But the same can be found in the PC market at a much lower price proprietary-less. As far as Hackintoshing, if you're an end user buy a Mac. But I got to tell you, with the money I've saved, the machine I have, the ability to make upgrades reasonably, and the pride I have in my machine I love my Hackintosh. I also hand-crafted my case. That's what floats my boat. Also, don't judge Apple products based on iTunes. I simply hate using iTunes. It is not intuitive and misses the mark for what should be a simple app. Sorry for a long post. PS: I have a video tut on the P6T non-deluxe, non-SE. If OK, I'll link this page on my site as "good reading."
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshOlin Coles 2010-10-26 20:27
Thank you for the feedback. It wasn't until this article that I began to put Apple products back into perspective. Thankfully the author (David) has had the best of both worlds with his computer zoo, because four years of hardware reviews have made me a little jaded towards Windows and *nix PC's.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2010-10-26 18:28
I guess I should have mentioned my site is #flynflip.com
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshLuciana 2010-10-30 13:47
thanks a lot! Nice article!
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshGeorge 2011-01-28 14:25
Why a Hackintosh?
It's true, that it's not a real Mac. On the other hand you don't have to deal with an arrogant, unreasonable fruity company.
I bought a demo model, which I assumed would have a one year warranty. It turned out Apple have counted the warranty period from the time the retailer put it on display, not when I bought it. When I bought it I had 2 months left. The retailer was very understanding and sold me an Applecare package at cost price.
That is why I now have a Hackintosh and extremely happy with it. Also, I am not held to ransom by Apples' repair charges.
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2011-01-28 16:09
No company would give you a full warranty on a demo machine, which is reasonable when you consider the abuse they're likely to withstand. It was the retailer's responsibility to inform you of this. I've bought one Mac used, and the retailer I bought it from told me about this, although I already knew...
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# RE: RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshGeorge 2011-03-03 22:30
I specifically asked the salesman before the purchase, and he assured me: Full warranty. The company (a large national chain) was as surprised as I was when Apple turned down my purchase date . Since it happened they now include it in their training.
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# COME ON WORLDchristian britten 2011-03-03 17:23
mac vs microsoft aka (PC). really its all the same isnt it guys. come one. no loyalty is due to these giants who care not for the people, all that matters is they buy. Situation is, because of this loyalty and fan base and fashion obssessed world apple are able to set any prices they want for any hardware they sell, they are rip off merchants in almost everything except there OS which you can buy for 25 quid ! which is fantastic. contrast to Microsoft who have traditionally been ripping people off for just as long, bullying the market, tying up market domination through copyrighting and licensing.. marginalising open source to a mass populace.

really who cares. the speeds we are talking about are near unnoticable to the average user. as one person points out unless you are operating at a high end with video/audio production, it really has little relevance.

plenty of manafacturers offer lovely aluminium and brushed steel cases to build your own systems. and for those that cant, save your money, go on holiday and use the computer , regardless of brand for what it is.. not a fashion accessory but a TOOL.

saying that.. when you need a new screwdriver, it is nice to get the one with the thick handle. and rubber grip. with that sexy yellow strip on the side, and that nice engraved logo on th............... and so it continues. x
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# REAL... WHAT IS REALchristian britten 2011-03-03 17:35
what is a REAL MAC ?

is all the hardware made by asian factory workers, underpaid and overworked... YES

does the branding of a mechanical object on the surface define its integrity and quality ...... NO

since its intel base. a mac is only defined by its OS and CHASSIS - any system running an apple OS is a mac. anyone who has an apple chassis and puts any parts inside has a mac.

can you put a nice chassis on a turd and sell it to a gullible moron ..... YES
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# RE: REAL... WHAT IS REALDavid Ramsey 2011-03-03 17:49
If you think that any system running an Apple OS is a Mac, Apple Legal would like to speak with you...
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# RE: RE: REAL... WHAT IS REALchristian britten 2011-03-03 17:59
come on dave, its this type of brand protectionist bllx from joe public im talking about. apple legal, i mean come on !
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# RE: RE: RE: REAL... WHAT IS REALDavid Ramsey 2011-03-03 18:06
I'm just pointing out that Apple wins court cases based on their EULA. Running a Mac OS on a non-Mac does not make it a Macintosh, and you can ask sued-out-of-existence companies about it.

That said, I'm still running my Hackintosh and am quite happy with it, although I expect some teething problems with OS X Lion.
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# great open article on subject by the waychristian britten 2011-03-03 18:01
great coverage of the subject by the way, very indepth and useful to know before realising that wait there. i dont need to know. and i dont need to care !! deceived by marketing voodoo and obsession with ultimate performance from my tool base.
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# come on davechristian britten 2011-03-03 18:21
that just serves my point. Apple the brand has to protect MAC the brand. in reality. despite protectionist bull@£$ that rules our world a mac os running on any system is a mac !

does apple manafacture its own hardware ? or is it the asian warehouse that happens to make sony chassis and samsung ram .. with the same chipsets that fit missile weapons and kitchen utilites. i mean come on DAVE !!! i know you know what im saying. and im glad for your self built machine, why wouldnt you be happy. youve saved yourself from a rip off cartel.
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# RE: come on daveflynflip 2011-03-03 19:56
#, I thought I'd get back into this conversation. First, it is odd stance that any of the companies are "rip off" companies. We have a choice not to buy any product from any of these companies. No arms are being twisted. To argue anything else would be to argue against capitalism but that is for another time and place. Although, I do like your point on loyalty. Companies of all genres are losing site of loyalty. Look at car manufacturers. But then again, it is the consumer's fault above all else. I mean if we stuck together and bought only from manufacturers that provided us with a good product, then there would only be good products. But people want cheap and that's what we have to choose from. My point is that we can't blame a company for trying to make money. We only have ourselves to blame for a our buying habits. It's tough to admit, but I believe it to be true. With that said, I make it a point to buy quality or build it myself. I have built several hackintoshes while never having experience OSX or apple products previously. After my first build, I was hooked. I am supremely proud of my build. I used almost all ASUS products because I believe they are quality products. Needing a laptop and realizing there there weren't many (if any) good quality prospects, I spent the money for one of the newest macbook pros just a couple days after their launch. I am impressed with their quality and as long as Apple stays on the road they are on, I will be happy to pay a little more for a superior product. To sum up everything I have said, I would say that it is easy to point fingers calling these companies crooks, cheats, etc, but if you want change then the best place to start is your next purchase. Hope I didn't offend. Take care
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# great responsechristian britten 2011-03-03 20:19
No way could offense be taken, i agree with that stance 100%. i dont blame the companies for trying to make money. if you reread with that in mind youll see the tone is focused on the individual not buying into the "BRAND".

however. i would stick to my statement of RIPOFF, and say its not odd at all, for the simple reason that what you get for your money is not good value in contrast to the product. which is why i made the statement about the production origin.

if they used high end components that were hand built the price point would make sense. but the sad reality is they are selling often lower grade components.

why even call them hackintoshes, they arent. its a machine with an operating system on it ! as macintosh is now an Intel based system all that seperates it is the fact that the software producer has decided that to make it exclusive it will only support certain criteria out of the box !.

which is of course their perogative.

but for us. an OS is an OS it has a primary function. to drive our requirements to an output. you can do tests until the sun explodes, reality is. whatever you choose to use will do the job just fine. everything else is mindbollox.

as for sticking to companies that offer good products. i agree 100 percent.
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# RE: great responseDavid Ramsey 2011-03-03 21:15
I think you're making the mistake of looking only at the computer; when you buy a Mac, for example, you can walk into any retail Apple store (and they're multiplying like rabbits) and get free technical support on any hardware or software issue or question you have, forever. No other manufacturer offers anything even close to this, and that's worth a lot to some people. (Not to us of course. We are leet hackers.)
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# pricelesschristian britten 2011-03-03 21:24
after working in a a few major IT shop chains, there was never an occasion when i was working in our technical or sales where i wouldnt help anyone who asked a question on hardware of software. mac or pc. even if theyd bought it from that shop. its just called being decent. and id say also going back to business. you never know when people are going to SPEND MORE. so id disagree and say that that is a standard retail service across the board. as for manafacture side of things. same rules apply mac or not. if its covered under warrantee its replaced, if its not you pay. and coming back to that point. things like BATTERIES not covered under guarantee. bang you guessed it. who has the most expensive batteries ... yep. thats right APPLE ! wahoo. and is it because they are made out of GOLD.. no ... is it because they have pretty lights on the back that glow up to show you how much is left in them.... PARTLY !!!. is it because they are better than everyone else.. NOPE ! is it because of the name.... AFRAID SO. Come on dave. you know the score, no need to be a mac apologist,, they were your employee once.. not any more !
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# RE: pricelessflynflip 2011-03-03 22:11
Any argument I could make in Apple's defense is simply bitter sweet. For example, what do I get out of my macbook vs a PC of the same caliber. Well, the magsafe power plug is huge. Let's face it: "PC" laptop manufacturers just cant get it right. But doesn't Apple prevent other's from using the design? AHHHH! The bitter part. But if I were the businessman making the decision, then I would make the same call. That's the making money part of it. But I didn't pay several hundred dollars more for magsafe. (I'm not that stupid) I also get a backlit keyboard, two finger scolling (mutitouch pad), a notebook that screams quality, an actual resell value even after a couple years of use, the minimal worry of malware with OSX (meaning no downtime or sluggish antivirus's), and much more. The simple fact is that there are many advantages to Apple products. That's why they are successful. Personally, I think Steve Jobs is a brilliant jerk-off. But "brilliant" take precedence. Like Dave says about the service too. You may have been a decent helpful tech or salesman, but that is a breed that is on the wrong side of almost extinct. I sound like I am defending when I have some real negative opinions myself. But, I think Apple deserves recognition for being a game-changer and providing quality products even if companies like ACER set the benchmark with piles of cow crap. It just seems to me that people supported Apple when they were the underdog. Now they have become successful again, they are becoming a target. As for Apple limiting the OS to Apple products in the EULA... I don't like it. But the fact of the matter is that it is their products and they claim to be a hardware company not a software company. It would be like pulling the firmware out of an Xbox and burning it to a PS3 (yeah, made that sound simple right?) They are selling a unit not a piece of a unit. Now, as for saying I can't make any changes to that unit which I bought and paid for? Now I am up for an argument. It's mine and I'll do what I want with it. And sometimes I will venture into the grey area of right and wrong like building a hackintosh. I see it more as making lemonade from the lemons these companies hand us. But, they gained a sell on two Snow Leopard disks and a macbook pro which I probably never would have bought if it wasn't for my dabbling in the hackintosh scene.
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# Not Quite YetPED 2011-04-07 08:11
As a semi-advanced non-geek, this is not yet the option for me. I think Mac's are way overpriced but I'm still willing to fork it over for the ease of real world use and stability of the system and upgrades. I continue to look at the PC world but continue to find it cumbersome and fraught with illogical actions and unreliable.

In real world, side to side comparisons, I can accomplish every day tasks as or faster than my sister who considers herself a PC wiz. So, while the PC hardware/software system may be faster - a real person doing real tasks often is faster on the intuitive Mac than the esoteric PC.
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# iHack PCc-tekk 2011-04-10 21:15
All the arguments (mainly MAC vs PC) are erroneous in nature, since it's a pure matter of opinion and purpose of use. I'll lay it out for you... are APPLE PCs (Yes, they are just a pc with a different, proprietary operating system!) more expensive, yes. Do you know why PCs are a better deal bang-for-your buck? Because ...APPLE is primarily a HARDWARE & DEVICE corporation... whereas MICROSOFT makes SOFTWARE as their primary market. Having said that, I'll also explain another argument... YES MACS TEND TO BE MORE STABLE.... well that's because there are billions of different possibile configurations for a windows-based (or even Linux) PCs. Windows is developed to be compatible with so many configurations, that it cannot develop all of the drivers and such without 3rd party... not to mention, not everyone knows how to build a NICE SOLID PC... I do. I've never had to RMA any hardware. I've only had a couple hiccups with my PC. So, in conclusion on this subject, I'd say that if one does their research on the hardware they purchase A PC can be just as stable, and in some cases, even better.(Forums and ratings on sites like newegg are good for this - just be sure to be careful of the experience level of some of the people who put incorrect ratings and reviews on hardware)
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# iHack PC...Continuedc-tekk 2011-04-10 21:17
As far as security goes, Apple wins this one... PCs have been and probably always will be more likely to be infected by malware, viruses, hacks, etc... due to the different configurations which makes windows more succeptable to security holes in the OS. This is because software will behave differently and have similar, but not identical footprints on hardware. Also, PCs are more commonly used, therefore make a better target. Macs have a reputation for being more stable than the average PC. This is a true statement. But keep in mind that Apple only uses a limeted number of possible configurations for their Desktops, Notebooks, and devices, which means they are thoroughly tested for compatiblilty with OS X/iOS/etc... In other words, of course it's more stable!... PROPRIETARY Hardware + Proprietary Software = More Stable... DUH. It's a no-brainer. So which is better? I don't know, and I don't care. I can't afford to drop 4 to 6k on a mac computer. Would I? Probably not, I'd probably find the newest model from someone on craigslist and buy it cheap, or barter... or just do the research and dual-boot with windows 7.... which, in my opinion is a superior operating system in terms of freedom, customization, workflow, and even overall appeal. I will say that I like OS X Snow leapord and I love Windows 7 (my personal favorite).


MY FINAL CONLCUSION... PREFERENCE.... THAT's it!.. Stop Fussing over which is better.... I'm a PC... But if I was a billionaire, I'd be both
because afterall, who cares which is "better?" Since BOTH are pretty AMAZING operating systems. That's my 2 pennies, sorry about the long rant!.... and by the way, yeah, Nothing is better than dual-booting Windows 7 and Snow leopard side by side.... It's the ultimate holy grail in the world of computers.... Awesome.
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# RE: iHack PC...Continuedflynflip 2011-04-10 21:37
Wow! 4k to 6k???? Where the devil are you price shopping? Maybe their absolute highest end. But price is an issue for 99% of us. A mac mini will suit most the every day user's need and is reasonably priced. If you're a power-user, I agree, it is hard to justify a machine of that price-magnitude. The problem with the Mac vs PC arguments are: What are we arguing? The OS or the hardware. As for the hardware, sure, Apple is selling top-quality beautiful hardware. There isn't many that would argue that point. After owning my first Mac Pro laptop, I will never buy another PC laptop again. Because of the OS? No. I have Win 7 installed because of proprietary MS software. I boot into windows when I need SQL server. What limitations do I have with my Mac Pro? ZERO! I have the best of all worlds: a top quality machine, OSX, and Win7. I love it! But the fact of the matter is that Macs, in my opinion, beat PC machines in almost every category. Quality, features, ease-of-use, security, and looks. However, MS still has the world by its nuggets when it comes to software and Apple reeks of proprietary. It isn't perfect in any way. But, what I find is that most people who defend PC's aren't that familiar with macs. And if you are and still love your PC... that's OK. I won't call you stupid. But the fact of the matter is that Apple is building a quality product and I admire that. Therefore they have my support. It is about time we see some quality beat out quantity. I like to save a buck, but I also like to get a buck's worth even more so.
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# RE: RE: iHack PC...Continuedc-tekk 2011-04-10 23:18
My point in price comparison, is that if you build your own system, you can get the same hardware for cheaper, without having to fork out the cash in most cases... Does OS X Look better?... that's a ridiculous thing to really dig into, since you can basically make them identical or customize either one.... Windows has better support for 64-bit systems, but OS X is playing good on that field too lately...
I guess my overall stance, if you really want to ask, would be:
which is better?... BOTH!.. I'm Dual booting (NO VM) Full installations of OS X SL 6.3 & Windows 7 Ultimate x64.... Flawlessly (Except only 1024 x 768 in Snow Leopard. & Reset doesn't function correctly....) hehe.. but it's fun.. keep in mind I'm using an old Acer Aspire X1200 Desktop .. I don't feel the need to install it on my notebook PC just yet... don't have time to tool with it... "THINGS ARE WORTH WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE"?
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# RE: iHack PC...ContinuedOlin Coles 2011-04-10 21:58
Apple wins on security? Both Apple Mac and Microsoft Windows have their vulnerabilities, but 89% of the world uses Windows while only 6% use Mac. This means that more malware is built to attack that OS. If the ratios were reversed, you'd have more problems with Mac vs Windows.

Also, where are you getting that Macs use proprietary hardware? Open up one of these Apple Macs, and point out the proprietary hard drive, memory, processor, video card, power supply, or motherboard. All of these components are either supplied by other manufacturers or built to fit a Mac.
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# RE: RE: iHack PC...Continuedc-tekk 2011-04-10 22:47
Yeah, I mentioned that (without stats, but yes, I know more people use PCs... That's why it's less vulnerable... I mentioned that)

And yes they are less proprietary, but Macs are configuration-specific by the model.. which also reduces the possiblility of system failures..doesn't eliminate, but reduces.. But yes, you are correct..
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2011-04-11 08:18
First, I never said that OSX looked better. Their hardware looks better. If I was confusing I'm sorry. Arguing the looks of the OS, like you said, isn't something we want to get into. As for security, I will make this argument for apple. OSX is much more secure. If your stats are right (and they seem reasonable) that would mean 89% of malware should be created for Windows and 6% for OSX. But that doesn't even matter. With all of the people out there making the "security" argument for OSX, don't you think there would be just ONE that would prove his point? Yes, I know there are some subtle malware out there for OSX, but nothing even worth mentioning. OSX isn't as intrusive with a hundred popups. Just a simple dialog box every time asking for your password every time you install software. That's it. So, why is OSX more secure you ask? Try this:
1. The registry. That mess is a good reason so many malicious has so much power. Then deciphering what changes were made is like finding a needle in a haystack.
2. The method in which applications install. Most applications in OSX consist of one file. Windows? Crap goes EVERYWHERE when you install something. Some malware has the ability to reinstall itself if it is deleted. Could that be done in OSX? Yes, but it would be much easier to find the culprit and much harder to install.
3. UNIX. Plain and simple. UNIX is the poster-child of security and OSX is a UNIX derivative.

Another point about OSX and Windows I find interesting are resource-consuming processes. If you install programs in Windows, there is a good chance you will have processes running even when the application isn't. That is one of my biggest annoyances with Windows. "Let's have a process that makes our application start up faster"... LET"S NOT! I know I sound like a Apple fan-boy. I do like Macs and I like OSX. I have some gripes and I don't dislike Windows. But I think that as Apple gains popularity, people spit on them because they are no longer underdogs. Let's just say what it is and keep intelligent points on the table.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshc-tekk 2011-04-11 12:03
Hardware looks better? Have you seen some of the custom cases you can buy for PCs? There are some pretty damn nice alternatives... not to mention, you're only talking about the case! IT's proprietary, in that it's got apple logos and such... yeah it's nice, but so are alot of other laptops and Desktop Towers... My Desktop has a Thermaltake Seprano Case with side window and Red leds on all the fans.. looks tight. Also, you can cut custom designs out of your case, and put a clear plastic inside to make your own logo that glows... or just buy a 3rd party case.... As far as the actual "hardware".. it's all the same PC or MAC.... INTEL, NVIDIA, MSI, etc... All compatible with both... do your homwork, aside from the OS, they are both just a simple PC.
And "People spit on them..."???? I disagree.. I like both systems, and honestly, it's retarded as all hell that I've even posted in here, since now Mac Superfans will assume I'm bashing Apple... I'm not, I love their Operating system, both Mac and Windows have their Pros and Cons... Do you want the most stable PC possible? Then Install All 3 of these: 1) Windows 7 2)Snow Leopard 3)Ubuntu........ on 3 different partitions. Now you can do ANYTHING with your PC. It takes a good setup though.... high-end nVidia VGA card, Intel CPU (I suggest at least a fast core 2 duo or better...) compatible DDR3 RAM, etc....
do the research... and you'll have a PC capable of A straight installation of OSX and will support updates from APPLE!... AND MS!... Since the hardware will match the configuration of the desired MAC PC you are building!... that's the best way.... Just be sure you get the right hardware, since although you can install any Operating System on just about any of the new (in the last few years) PCs.. (I've beens successful with a ACER APIRE X1200 w/ a AMD CPU!)... the only problem is some hardware won't work properly, some functions might not work, etc....

All I'm saying is I like both operating systems, neither of them suck (I'm referring to OS X and Windows 7... I used UBUNTU and it's less stable than either of the other two)... but having all three and using 3rd party utilities, you can access files between them all....
So Having at least Windows 7 and OS X on one PC is better...

Which is Better? BOTH!... That's the point of having a HACKINTOSH
That's why it's fun to build, at least that's my opinion.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2011-04-11 14:02
You seem to be offended that I don't agree with you. While for the most part, I do agree with you. Let's not get our panties in a wad and if you think this is silly, simply don't post. Look, my website is ##flynflip.com where I have a Hackintosh section dedicated to helping people mod their PC to achieve exactly what you are saying. I do have a tri-boot hackintosh that works FLAWLESS. But, you and I are rare birds. There aren't many people that have our ability. For the largest portion of the population, what would you recommend? I think a Mac mini is reasonably priced, good quality, capable of running Windows, will receive Apple's excellent support, has OSX pre-installed, is a small nice looking machine, etc. Apple hardware also consists of much more than a case. They have nice brushed aluminum keyboards, the magic mouse (which I think is a cool little device), nice looking monitors, and more. If you want to argue the looks, don't argue with me, argue with 99% of the world population. I agree with them. I think they look nice. But, no offense, I don't like the clear plastic sides on most after-market PC rigs. They were cool at first, but I've seen enough. I built my hackintosh case from aluminum stock and glass. You may not like it, but that's OK, I do. Look, my opinion in a nutshell is that as a programmer I am capable of building a VERY NICE Hackintosh. Even with these capabilities, when it comes to laptops, I am going to buy a Mac. For an everyday user, if you can afford the extra bucks, then go with the Mac. If you can't then Windows 7 is a good OS and there are good quality PC manufacturers out there. You mentioned that Apple internal hardware is the same as PC? Not a laptop. Sure, they share nVidia and ATI GPU's and Intel Processors, but I don't BIOSTAR is making Apple's mobos. I think Apple puts extra time into choosing quality components also. While some PC manufacturers do this, I think most take the lowest bids. Please don't misunderstand me. I am not saying that Apple is the god of computer manufacturers. There are awesome PC manufacturers like ASUS. I think ASUS is as about as good as it gets when it comes to hardware. But people might argue that with me too. Look, I enjoy the banter, but I'm not looking to raise anyone's blood pressure. Don't offend me and I'll do my best to be respectful to you. Let's keep it civil. Have a good day.
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2011-04-11 14:03
Keeping it civil is always a good idea.
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2011-04-11 14:04
I forgot to mention however, I do like the idea of cutting logos out of the case. That's actually different. (Or at least I hadn't seen it.) I'll check that out.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshc-tekk 2011-04-11 18:29
haha.. my panties are in a wad? ... nah.. anyway, I'm being civil, I think it's easy to read something and make assumptions not to mention I don't have a filter, I guess I should apologize to ya all for ranting, I only intended to avoid repeating myself,... And I agree totally with you as well, most people don't know how to use the computer they buy, and the folks at Microsoft will be of little, if any, help whatsoever. I've never called Apple Support, but I bet they're quicker to help.
I would say, that if you can afford the Mac you want, don't mind paying more for the hardware (weigh the troubleshooting/support offered by mac VS Windows OS, Gaming, Specific Software, what the PC is for, etc..) then A Mac is a great PC. Now, on the other hand, if you are so inclined, Keep in mind that if you want to dual boot.. Either can be a good option as well!.. just spec out the hardware specs of the Mac or PC and be sure it's all compatible w/ both and you'll have the absolute best PC money can buy!... and remember stay about a year behind the "bleeding-edge" in hardware technology in most cases, it'll save you money and greif.

Oh, by the way, flynflip- you know the best workarounds for these two things: ???

1) onboard nVidia geForce 8200 vga
2) "reset function doesn't work (sleep works, but not on LCD
-I'm using a 40" bravia LCD

??? My "iHac" is an Acer Aspire X1200 Desktop PC.

Thanks... Have a great week everyone
I don't mean to come across as an A-hole. hehe..
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshflynflip 2011-04-11 20:07
Well, I don't want to take up Mr. Ramsey's space to talk about a specific system, so I don't want to go back and forth about it here. If you go to my site, click on the forum link at the top of any page and sign up, you can start a topic under "Hardware Specific" in the Hackintosh section. Please make sure you post your specific hardware specs. I would think that the geForce 8200 shouldn't be a problem. I googled your system to see that you have AMD. If that is correct then you probably used a distro for your install and don't have a vanilla system. That's not too big of a deal, but it makes it harder to upgrade later. 40" LCD????? wow! you lucky dog :) I am assuming that it is a TV? I don't know much about bravia. Maybe you could elaborate on "reset" Typically, sleep and graphics are the two hair-pullers when it comes to hackintoshing. tonymacx86 has some real good solutions like multibeast. Might check it out if you haven't. Another thing: is your video card recognized in profiler? It could be a matter of a couple simple lines of code to get you up and going. Hope to see you on the forum and the banter was fun :)
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# dddirtmandave 2011-04-17 20:59
great article
my hackintosh been running for a moth now,(10.6.7)
and i love it waaaaay better then windows 7.
its a tough road but rewards are many and not to difficult.
my system is: msi x58m mobo /i7950/12 gig ddr3 /2 500gb drives/
geforce gts 240 ..
used multibeast/iboot method(tonymacx86.com)
fully functional and stable with minimum fuss.
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# RE: dddirtmanDavid Ramsey 2011-04-18 08:45
Glad it's working for you. I'm still using my Hackintosh for all my day-to-day work, running the latest software. Granted I'm a little nervous about Lion, but I think the community will respond to it rather quickly.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: Hackintoshpopotato 2011-05-01 04:19
Did you intentionally write "Slow Leopard" on the second from last page?
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# RE: RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2011-05-01 08:53
No, Snow Leopard, the first fully Intel-native OS for the Mac, is actually quite perky. We in the industry refer to things like "Slow Leopard" as "typos" or "Freudian slips", and it's been fixed.
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# HiJack 2011-06-24 20:42
I play this game called MineCraft and it is addicting to me. I consider playing it on a Mac because it's easier to install.
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# Comments Turning A PC Into APPLE MAC: HacintoshRoy Pierce 2011-07-25 07:37
I first built a Hackintosh out of curiosity about the Mac OS. My first experience was with the Tiger version and it was severely limited but was still interesting. Move forward a year or so and the techniques had been refined considerably when the Leopard version of Hackintosh was developed and I gave it another go. In between these times I had been using Linux because of security concerns. The downside of Linux has always been the absence of off the shelf programs that could easily be installed. While the Linux PC is a lot more secure than Windows generally speaking it still lacked the availability of the programs I was interested in. So I built another Hackintosh and I was sold almost immediately on it, better performance even with my meager hardware and getting good software and installing it was easy. Now there are some applications for which Macs do not have a comparable option. One being viewing and recording from a TV tuner card. So I still use a Windows PC for that stuff and a couple of other specific tasks. So when comparing operating systems it is like comparing hand tools. No one is going to complain to a mechanic when he uses a ball peen hammer instead of a claw hammer. Now move forward a little further in time . My cousin had been getting me to fix his laptop an HP Pavilion DV4000 from time to time.When I say fix I actually mean clean it up from viruses and malware .But even with Anti Virus software and anti malware installed my cousin seemed to keep having the problem over and over again. Sometimes in less than 2 weeks he would be right back where he started. The laptop would be running slow, some program or virus would hijack his browser and it was a mess. I had even slicked the laptop once and within less than a month the gremlins were back.
Out of desperation I tried to install Leopard 10.5.6 on it and to my surprise I was successful. With a few tweaks I was able to get the OS working and it recognized his sound card, Wifi card, video etc.
I told my cousin to give this new (to him) operating system a try and it has now been 3 months and he has not had a single problem.
Bottom line use the tools (OS) that works the best for the job or situation you find yourself in. I cannot afford a real MAC so this was a way for me to try out the MAC OS on s budget. I have no complaints. I use windows for certain specialty applications as mentioned above and I use the MAC OS for everything else!
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshDavid Ramsey 2011-07-25 08:31
Glad it's working out for you. Hackintoshing laptops can be hard because of the specialized drivers you need to dig up in some cases.

I'm currently working on bringing up a Sandy Bridge Hackintosh, using an ASUS P8P67 mobo and 2600K processor, but things are not going as smoothly as they did with the hardware I used in this article.
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# Hackintosh GeekTony Jenkins 2011-07-25 11:08
David - thanks for the awesome article. Some of the naysayers on this page don't get it. I've always used PCs, but was curious about using Mac as well. I just wasn't willing to spend the money, when I could build a decent Intel 2 Duo Core PC for about 1/4 of the price. After doing my research on InsanelyMac.com and tonymacx86.com - I have an awesome Hackintosh running OS X Lion. I might not support Apple in the buying of an actual Apple machine - but I have bought 2 retail versions of Snow Leopard from Best Buy, and just purchased OS X Lion through the App store. And to all the naysayers - I'm sorry - OS X Lion running on my hackintosh puts Windows 7 to shame. When I boot up - I just hit the F12 key on my keyboard - and can go to my harddrive with Snow Leopard, or my hard Drive with Lion, or my hard drive with Windows 7 - and I hate to say - Snow Leopard and Lion boot up in no time - while Windows 7 sits there loading every driver it can before I can do anything. Maybe Windows 8 will be faster. Like I said - I used to be a hard core PC - but I'm a hard core Hackintosh fanatic. It took a lot of research, but I was able to build a relatively inexpensive, but fast machine.
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# RE: Turning PC into Apple Macintosh: HackintoshRoy Pierce 2011-07-25 11:15
Yes I guess it is a crap shoot which laptops or desktops for that matter will work or not. The HP Pavilion DV4000 worked so well I bought a lightly used one for myself and installed Leopard on it. There was one l slight difference though in the built in Wifi card and I had to use another driver to get it to work. I had been under the impression that laptops of a particular model would all be the same. But that was not the case. Luckily I was able to find a cure after some google searches. Before these successes I had tried at least 2 other laptops that would not work. Although I did learn one trick when doing the initial install. On first boot up I was getting the grey screen and it just hung there. I did some searches online and found a comment about starting the computer in Safe mode with the -x command. That did the trick, after everything came and I did the initial setup the laptops worked flawlessly after that.I have not used the Safe mode since then. FYI. Good Luck with yours.
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# To hackintosh or macintosh...Yestergeek 2012-08-02 10:40
Thanks for this article. I was giving serious thought to tackling this. I even thought about adding an additional layer of challenge by attemption to modify a preIntel mac tower case to accomidate an AT style system board. I grew up with PC but having dealved into macs recently i could never go back. I could never buy a non Apple laptop now but an All in one desktop mac i was hesitant to commit to as a super high end machine. To me Fusion VMware running on 32gb ram with an SSD system drive hosting win7 in utily mode is as goos as it gets. Being able to fall back to a windows program as needed while living in an OS X world is amazing. After reading this i think ill just spend the money this time around and buy the mac. Thanks again.
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# RE: To hackintosh or macintosh...David Ramsey 2012-08-02 10:47
Since this article was written, it's become much easier to set up a Hackintosh, providing you do a little up-front research into supported motherboards. Specifically, visit tonymacx86.com and check out UniBeast and MultiBeast.

Genuine Macs are of course more reliable and less hassle than Hackintoshes, but for folks wanting expandable systems who don't want to pay thousands of dollars for outdated Mac Pros, a Hackintosh is the only real option right now.
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# RE: RE: To hackintosh or macintosh...Yestergeek 2012-08-02 14:21
Thanks David, i realize now you wrote this 2 years ago. I actually came across this post looking for mactower lookalike AT towers. Trying to decide if its worth buying those two pre-Intel mac towers from our local pc shop and adapting one of them. I havent seen inside them yet. Judging by your photo it doesnt look like it would be easy. Ok, i would really like to have the best of both worlds and my other PCs and macs are coming to the end of the line. My early 2009 macbook is at its max 6 gb RAM and my early 2008 imac is also at its max of 6gb. My old dual core windows machine is at its max 4gb (3.25 usable). With mountain lion there is not much left to run win7 or the win8 prerelease with any usuable speed. I need to have at least 16gb to do what i need. Mostly falling back to some non os x windoze HAM radio apps. I was on the fence but I think then i will move forward on this. It will be with the expection that its a bonus if it does the job in os x but if not it will be a windows 8 machine and i'll apply the cost saviings to new macbook pro if needed. So now to create a bill of material! I would like to go 4 or 6 intel cores, 32 gb RAM. 256gb ssd boot drive or card and a decent video card im not a gamer but i do a bit of video editing and would like to get a BD burner working under OS X if possible. I'm hoping to keep it 99% in OS X/vmware and only need to boot windows in extreme situations. Do you think this sounds realistic?
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# RE: RE: RE: To hackintosh or macintosh...David Ramsey 2012-08-02 16:36
It would require some serious modding skills to convert a G5 tower to use a standard ATX motherboard and power supply. It's been done, but it's not something I would attempt myself!

As for 6 core processors, they'd require an Intel X79 motherboard (well, an X58 if you have an old 980X), and Hackintosh development on X79 is still in its infancy. I'd recommend sticking with a 2500K or 2600K CPU and checking on the tonymacx86 forums for motherboard that people have had success with.

I run Windows 7 under Parallels on my Hackintosh and it works very well.
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