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Written by Vito Cassisi - Edited by Olin Coles   
Tuesday, 03 August 2010
Table of Contents: Page Index
Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming Mouse
Features and Specifications
Closer Look: Mad Catz Cyborg R.A.T. 7
Mad Catz Cyborg R.A.T. 7 Detailed Features
Testing and Results
Final Thoughts and Conclusion

Mad Catz Cyborg R.A.T. 7 Features

Perfect your grip – How do you hunt? Whether you ‘palm’ the mouse or ‘claw’ it, the R.A.T. can quickly and easily adapt by adjusting in length to suit your hand size and grip style. In addition, the Thumb Panel of the R.A.T. 7 moves forwards, backwards, and pivots outwards, giving you perfect positioning for effortless gaming.

Interchangeable Pinkie grips and Palm rests

3 Interchangeable palm rests

  • One featuring the same soft-touch finish as found on the body of the R.A.T.
  • One with a rubber inlay for enhanced grip.
  • One that is 4mm thicker to increase the height of the R.A.T.

3 Interchangeable pinkie grips

  • One featuring the same soft-touch finish as found on the body of the R.A.T.
  • One with a rubber inlay for enhanced grip.
  • One that offers a ‘wing shaped’ design, allowing you to rest your pinkie finger during play for increased grip.

Custom Weight System – Like it light or heavy? Maybe you change the weight to suit your game? No matter, the R.A.T. has you covered. Five 6-gram weights can be added or subtracted in an instant, giving you the perfect weight for a perfect feel. When not in use, the weights can be safely stored in the supplied Weight Storage Container.

Precision Aim Mode – Hit your target the first time every time. Use the ST Programming Software to set your desired Precision Aim speed (mouse sensitivity), then hold down the Precision Aim button to slow down mouse movement to a level that works for you. A deadly weapon that will hit your enemy where it hurts.

5600 DPI - Featuring a new generation 'twin eye' laser sensor that reads each axis separately for pinpoint accuracy, the R.A.T. 7 tracks up to a stunning 6 meters per second. Pro gamers who favor low sensitivity with high movement speed preferences will always experience correct tracking and precision.

4 Custom DPI Settings - Use the Rocker Switch to toggle between your custom DPI settings.

5 Programmable Buttons - Combine your Programmable Buttons with 2 regular left and right mouse buttons and give yourself a total of 7 buttons available to punish your competition. Assign your choice of key gaming actions to Programmable Buttons to create your own custom profiles.

3 Cyborg Modes – Toggle between three individual R.A.T. modes at the touch of a button. Change sensitivity or Programmable Button actions in an instant and gain immediate access to a mind-boggling 15 commands!

Powerful ST Programming Software – Change your DPI, set Precision Aim cursor sensitivity, create custom profiles for each game, and assign commands to your Programmable Buttons and Modes. Easy, quick and the power you need right on your desktop.

Lightweight Metal Chassis - Strong yet nimble, the solid metal frame forms the core of the R.A.T. 7 for enhanced rigidity.

Source: Features provided by Mad Catz.

CCB437080002 Specifications

  • DPI range – 25-5600dpi (in 25dpi steps)
  • Acceleration- 50G
  • Polling Rate - Dynamic up to 1000Hz
  • Tracking Speed - Up to 6m/sec
  • Always On
  • PTFE "Slick" Feet
  • Gold plated connector
  • Braided USB cable

Source: Specifications provided by Mad Catz.



 

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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseDavid Ramsey 2010-08-03 20:26
That long re-sync time (or whatever) when you pick it up and put it down again seems a game-killer. My Logitech Performance MX wireless mouse has no problem with this...
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# RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseOlin Coles 2010-08-03 20:28
I thought the whole purpose to high-resolution laser pointing devices was to remove the need for lifting. At 5600 DPI, there's no way to slide off the mousepad before hitting the edge of the screen.
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# RE: RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseServando Silva 2010-08-03 20:43
Right! I use a 4000dpi mouse and I don't use the whole mouse-pad to move around 3840 pixels width between 2 monitors.
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# RE: RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseVito Cassisi 2010-08-03 23:07
Well, not really. High DPI means the mouse becomes too responsive (thus twitchy), and some people really don't like that. It also depends on how and where you use it. Some games emulate difficult to move objects by making you move the mouse a larger distance. For example, helicopters in Just Cause 2.

I don't lift my mouse very often, but when I do, I expect it to work flawlessly.
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# Different color mouse padRob 2010-08-09 05:55
Have you tried using a different color mouse pad? I have read in a few places that this does not work well with black mouse pads.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseDavid Ramsey 2010-08-03 20:43
Yeah, but: (1) You won't always be running at 5600 dpi, and (2) somehow I manage to end up against the end of my mousing surface more often than I'd like...
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# RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming Mousescott passmore 2010-08-03 21:16
Pretty unique design I like the thought behind the mouse, I agree it should be darn hard to run out of mouse pad, I know I am kind of extreme when it comes to mouse sensitivity, (have never seen anyone run w/as sensitive mouse as mine). It would quite neat to test out the mouse w/the upcoming Mechwarrior game if it ever really does come out, the dual scrolling would be helpful, or ever for that matter w/Mechwarrior Living Legends based off the Crysis engine once it gets more refined.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseJim Burns 2010-08-06 05:56
This product uses the same tracking engines as other high end gaming mice that also exhibit the same tracking issues. I believe it is because of the dual eye sensor. This sensor is used in Raser brand mice also. I have this mouse and I think this reveiw was a little overly critical of this resync issue. I don't lift the mouse and if you had the mouse and actually used it yourself you would see that lifting this mouse is not needed 99.9% of the time.
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# RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseVito Cassisi 2010-08-06 06:04
I used the mouse for a week or so, and it was definitely an issue which caused problems. In the end, a score of 7.3 is still respectable. It's up to the reader to determine if these issues are a problem for them. In my case, the mouse wasn't good enough to get a recommendation. It'd be irresponsible of me to rate a product high, just because other high-end devices have problems too.
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# RE: RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseRick 2010-08-19 08:47
This is a major issue, and is something I took into consideration when I perchasec this mouse. It is too frustrating for me, I am taking it back. You don't even have to lift it and it stutters, looses track and sometimes takes OVER a second to resync. My 4 year old wireless Logitech G7 had no such issues. It should be advertised as "R.A.T. 7, the wired mouse that responds like a Targus Wireless mouse." Sorry, but this resyncing and tracking issue is the killer for me. Very disapointed. I was hoping I would not have this issue, but it is almost impossible to use this mouse with a text editor, it just stutters too much, then stops, and it has to resync, and I have not even lifted it.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseRick 2010-08-19 21:38
OK, I forgot that this mouse is very picky on the mouse pads on which it sits on. After removing my beloved ridgid mouse pad (yes it has a black surface) and using it on my black lamenated keyboard shelf, it tracks much better, no more stutters, stops and long resyncs. the only problem is it is now noisy going across the surface. So I think I'll keep it a little longer. I wonder what is the best surface for this mouse to be on. Probably something really smooth, but not shinny?
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# confirmedLamini 2011-11-27 13:39
i played at hotels for weeks; worked fine; the tables were not glossy, shiny. I came back home and tried on finished table, and i thought i was going to return it... not thinking of the deltas. I recently got a mousepad thinking it would resolve issues... wrong, it was a very smooth mousepad and was almost as bad as the table. I cleaned it, thought my internet connection was causing it (issues seemed to amplify on online games), just about everything.

I then placed it on a home made table, and it worked as it did when i got it, and used it on regular wood...
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseK 2010-08-06 22:18
Kudos BMR for noting the Z-Axis issue on the Twin-Eye. How about doing a follow up article to the mice you have reviewed putting the issue of Z-Axis tracking in heavy critique. That would probably help the world. Also, a friend of mine asked Razersupport about the Z-Axis tracking as it did make the mouse unusable.

This is Razer's reply:
"Any mouse will cause the cursor to move when you lift it off the mouse pad. The Mamba does it in a more predictable fashion, always down and to the right. With higher DPI setting you will notice the affect more, but of course the higher the setting the less likely you are to lift the mouse. You should be able to lessen the affect you are seeing by using a lower DPI setting"

It doesnt answer much, but gives off the simple message of "The defect you speak of is a feature" where in this statement Razer "deliberately" included it with the mouse but the data stands that all Philips Twin-Eye mice have the same occurring defect.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming Mouses 2010-08-09 07:37
You people who believe that lifting the mouse is a normal part of using a mouse have lost touch with what the mouse was for. Z-axis tracking, really? Since when, that a limitation of the ball and optical mouse era becomes a benchmark for future technologies? Are you going to compare the neural impulse actuator to a mouse because they both can be used in games? These gaming mice are so precise and advanced that they don't even compare to other mice. If you are concerned with the z-axis get a Wii remote or the NES power glove. If you need to lift the mouse to play games then get a mouse with lower resolution or get a ball mouse. BMR making a big deal out of this reminds me of the fall out from the jmicron controller for the SSD reviews, now they seem to kitchen sink everything.
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# BmR, or just one person?Olin Coles 2010-08-09 07:39
Do some research 's' and you'll find that BmR is more than one person, in fact it's more than a dozen people at the moment. You'll also find that I own this website, and that I have already weighed in on this topic.
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# Maybe..., just one person.s 2010-08-09 08:00
It may have been a broad brush, but I think this review was very heavy handed. Yes, I know you own this website, and that you have others do some of you reviews ( which is not a negative by any means ). But when a reviewer starts to make claims that a defect exists because people on the Internet are complaining, that seems to lack journalistic integrity. Could I have written a better review, probably not, but I am not a writer nor a journalist.
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# We're enthusiasts, just like you.Olin Coles 2010-08-09 08:53
Just to be clear, nearly 99% of all hardware review websites (including Benchmark Reviews) are driven by enthusiasts. None of our staff are paid journalists, or have any formal training in this profession that I am aware of.
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# RE: Maybe..., just one person.Vito Cassisi 2010-08-10 00:32
No, the defect exists because _I_ witnessed and was affected by the issue. It's not about Z-axis tracking, in fact, this wasn't mentioned at all in the review. The issue lies with how the x and y tracking behaves when lifted and replaced. Other people "on the Internet" having similar problems only strengthens the claim.

The fact of the matter is, many people lift their mouse during use, and if it's going to lag or act in quirky ways upon laying it back down, then there's a very real problem with its functionality.

A review isn't supposed to tell you what to think, it's to facilitate your own reasoning process. If you feel that it's a non-issue, then you're free to purchase the device.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming Mouses 2010-08-10 06:49
I already own the RAT7 and a Razer Lachesis both of which have this duel eye sensor. I have seen ridiculous Youtube videos where people basically clap on the bottom of the mouse to show this "effect". It seems that people are inventing test methods that would never exist in gaming or in real world use, to create a stir or upset, at Mad Catz / Razer's cost. I bought this Rat7 the day it became available on Game shark and have been using it since. And before that I had a Razer lachesis, Which I used for weeks before. Never once did I ever have a 1 second lag if I picked up the mouse. Also I would never fault a mouse if it did act erratically while in the AIR above the desktop because the air above the desktop is not the area for which a mouse was designed to operate! That is like faulting a laptop for not working properly after someone spilled coffee into the keyboard area.
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# RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseVito Cassisi 2010-08-10 22:55
Again, this has nothing to do with how it acts in the air, but how it responds to being (re)placed on a surface. As I mentioned in the review, the effects differ between surfaces, so it's very possible that you're fortunate enough to have a compatible mouse pad/desk.

The mouse was tested like it were my daily device, to see how it behaves when under normal conditions such as productivity and gaming. The review reflects my findings.

FTR, I have no reason to "create a stir". I (and I'm sure, the rest of the Benchmark Reviews crew) always strive to remain objective.
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# Twin Eye MiceKarthe Megara 2010-08-12 10:55
Hello. I was very impressed that a review site finally noticed that Z-Axis tracking issue with the Philips Twin eye. As you know, this issue is not only present on the latest one, where your reviewer cited the issue in brief explanation, but in all the mice that come equipped with the Philips Twin-Eye.

I hope that sometime in the future, BMR is able to revisit the other mice which utilize the same sensor as the most recent. A number of known victims come from Razer: Mamba and the Imperator to cite a couple of examples, both CM Storm mice, the Inferno and Sentinel and a whole lot more. It's actually easy to tell if a mouse is with the Philips Twin Eye. It's always a yellow colored sensor.

I hope that by this, BMR will bring to light and instigate awareness about the tracking issues, Z-axis issues, and the incompatibilities with Cloth surfaces that the Philips Twin-Eye brings to all consumers.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseMatt 2010-08-19 08:17
I just purchased a RAT 7 and find that there is no appreciable "tracking delay" when the mouse is lifted off a surface and then returned (when used with a Cyborg X.3 mouse pad or on my wooden desk or on a sheet of white paper for that matter).

Though it does exhibit the pointer move "down and to the right" when the mouse is removed from the surface I rarely find myself needing to lift the mouse with my 11x15 gaming pad and moderate DPI settings (800 or above).

The fit was pretty good on my relatively large right hand after the mouse was adjusted. The weight was good for me when I removed all the internal weights and the adjustment tool. I guess I like it light.

I do agree that the "small PTFE feet feel a bit clingy". I'll be looking for a way to resolve this issue.

If you can live with the issues its a pretty cool mouse.
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# Love itJustin 2010-08-28 11:08
I just bought the RAT 7 and love it! I have found no tracking delay at all when I lift and put it down. And I don't lift my mouse very often (never when gaming) I do everyday tasks at 1800dpi, and game at 2500dpi so i don't need to lift the mouse. Although when I do lift the mouse it does go down and to the right, but not very much, and nothing that would affect game play and other things. Only thing I wish it had but I don;t really need is the frictionless scrolling. The Precision aim mode button makes up for it.
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# GREAT mouse! I love this thing!Rob 2010-08-31 11:11
The RAT 7 fits my hand great after only few adjustments. So far the best fitting mouse I have ever used. I did notice I no longer need my wrist rest on my mouse pad.

I see no tracking issues for the surfaces I use it on. I used Paint and did multiple repeat clicking of the left mouse button with no tracking issues. I tried these tests on my black cloth like mouse pad and my wood keyboard tray. I also did not experience any sync issues after I picked up and put down the mouse. I was trying all different kinds of surfaces to see if I could find one it would not track on and the only one was clear case plastic case. So maybe it will not track on a clear surface.
I am using Windows 7 64 bit version and updated the Drivers and Software from the Cyborg website. I removed my old mouse software and drivers before I installed the RAT 7 software and drivers. I also made sure the surface I was using was clean.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseMatt 2010-09-01 17:24
FYI for those intrepid few who use linux. Note this mouse currently has linux compatibility issues. Apparently the issue has been fixed in later versions of the x-org server but has not been released in any distributions as of yet. However there is a workaround that might work for you. When you log in and start noticing the pointer focus problems, hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and then log back in again. The problems will usually go away. It worked for me.
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# RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseRoy 2011-08-18 21:11
@Matt: Your a GREAT guy for mentioning your experience with this mouse and Linux.


Note to Olin:
I wish the Reviews here tested using Debian (based) Linux (and WinXP) and not just Win7, case in point: OCZ RevoDrive3 X2 SuperScale PCI-E SSD Review #benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=800&Itemid=60 . Obviously that Card demands a Linux Driver test (and ##iozone.org/ but I digress).

Knowing how well ANY Hardware works with Linux is useful info; you don't want us to look elsewhere as your Site has great reviews.


Thanks!,
Roy
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# DissapointedMark 2010-09-03 17:55
Problem with this mouse is that you can lift it up ever to re adjust it on your mouse pad. sometimes i dont even lift it and it just doesnt read properly? maybe mine is defective but from what i see above this seems to be a common issue
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# RE: DissapointedRob 2010-09-03 18:04
I have not see this issue yet. I have been using this mouse for about 4 days now. Make sure you clear out you old mouse drivers and that your desk is clean.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseMark 2010-09-04 08:37
Well im assuming that something is wrong with my set up because there is no way they can sell a mouse and have it wait a second every time you lift it up and place it back down. It just kills my First person shooter games. i uninstalled the razer software through program uninstal but now im afraid that maybe i didnt get rid of the driver. i when into device manager and it says the only driver is the one for the R.A.T. im going to test everything i can even a hard reformat before i give up because like i mentioned above there is no way they gave this optical eye a 10/10 if it has such a fundamental flaw.
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# It's not you, it's the mouse.Olin Coles 2010-09-04 08:42
Mark: It's not your system, it's the mouse. You'll notice that we rated this mouse considerably low as a result of this flaw. 7/10 here... far from 10/10.
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# RE: RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseRob 2010-09-04 09:45
Mark, I was finally able to recreate the re-sync issue after I pick and put down the mouse. The re-sync issue occurs on the ?speed? side of the ?Rocketfish? mousepad (see Bestbuy.com). It does not occur every time on the ?speed? side but enough to impact you if you are playing an intense game. It does not occur on the ?control? side of this mousepad. I have tested this mouse on a thin black cloth like mousepad, thick black cloth like mouse pad, wood desk, white paper with no issues at all. So from my testing results I would suggest you change your mouse surface to get the best results.
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# Fixed THe issueMark 2010-09-08 09:56
ALright so i found out that the mouse will not track on black surfaces. WOrks great on my white text book or anything that is white. It also works on my roomates Cutting pad that is turquoise. DOesnt work on my black desk black mousepad black books. so now im going to order myself the only white mousepad i can find on the net from razer.
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# RE: Fixed THe issueRob 2010-09-08 10:06
Mark, but it does work on black surfaces (or at least for me, see my post above). It only did not work on one black surface. Maybe shinny black surfaces it has issues, I am not really sure.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseDan 2010-09-20 19:27
I have the mouse myself and I do not have most of these problems that others seem to have. For me it tracks on pretty much all surfaces except glass. When I pick up the mouse and put it back down it only moves 1 inch at most and does not have a noticeable resync time. I did have problems with an oversensitive(?) mouse. The cursor would move while the mouse was not in use and jitter whenever clicked. It might have been my mouse pad or rather lack of (using a paper on my desk). But after I changed the sensitivity through Microsoft's settings and jacked up the sensitivity through the Rat software, it's smooth and as I could had ever hoped. I guess this is another case of Madcatz's horrible quality/quality control.
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# Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Rafi 2010-09-22 08:47
Hello, I bought this mouse to replace my storm sentinel advance and so I am using it on a black gaming grade coolermaster mousepad and I am having the tracking problem even without lifting the mouse (moving it form the silver section of the pad to the black one causes my cross-hair to freeze for a few seconds) so could any of you please recommend a gaming pad that you are already using with this mouse and that is not causing any problems??

thanks
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# RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Rob 2010-09-22 12:45
I am using the "Rocketfish" mousepad (see Bestbuy.com). I have no issues with the "control" side of this mousepad at all actually it works great. The "speed" side does have issues. (see my comment above)
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# RE: RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Scott 2010-10-10 13:22
Let me assure you, this mouse tracks poorly on BOTH sides of the Rocketfish, and is almost useless on an Icemat. Until they fix these issues, I would recommend strongly against it.
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# RE: RE: RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Rob 2010-10-10 14:47
I have no issues at at all on the "Control" side of the Rocketfish mouse pad. Please explain.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Scott 2010-10-10 14:54
What part of "this mouse tracks poorly on both sides of the Rocketfish" do you need for me to explain? Maybe my Rat 7 is more screwed up than your Rat 7, but if it fails on *one* side of your Rocketfish, and it fails totally on the Icemat (Google it), then it's basically a failure of a mouse. It shouldn't be screwing up on *either* of these surfaces, should it?
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Rob 2010-10-10 17:25
The part where "I have no issues" and you do and a lot of people do not. I am trying to understand the issues you are having. What type of tracking issues do you have? Is it the same experience on both sides of the mousepad? Have you done anything to correct the problem? (i.e removed old drivers, have a clean mouse surface, followed the trouble shooting tips on the manufacturer website, etc.). I have tried to recreated the issues on many different surfaces and I have not had the same negative experiences as some on most surfaces. The mouse has been working great for me.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Rafi 2011-03-03 14:25
thanks for the reply but i already got another mousepad that works i got the razer goliathus and it works perfect
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Recommend a Pad for the Rat 7Chibi 2011-12-11 13:38
My RAT9 is optically dead on the black Rocketfish BestBuy metal plate gaming mouse, the cursor doesn't move at all on either side, but works well on my black fabric rubberized pad. Note that it does work on non-black metallic edge (ie. I can accurately draw little circles on the less than 1 cm silver edge area). I really like thyis mouse, but it is highly surface dependent.
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# same mouse pad, but I have problemsDoug 2011-03-03 09:35
I have the same rocketfish mousepad and neither side works well with this mouse. I didn't really notice it at first, but make some circles on the screen with the pointer, you will see that every 4th or 5th circle the mouse jumps. I am using a picture mouse pad that was really cheap and it works great but it is too small, I ordered a new gaming surface from madcatz, should be here in a couple of days.
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# RE: same mouse pad, but I have problemsRob 2011-03-03 10:51
I tried to re-create your experience with small and large circles as well as fast and slow movements and was not able to re-create the issue you are seeing. One thing I have noticed that occurs every once in a while (weeks) is the mouse will lag when I move it around. In order to fix this I use compressed air to blow the mouse pad as well as under the mouse. This fixes the issue until the dust (I guess) builds up again.
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# RE: RE: same mouse pad, but I have problemsDoug 2011-03-03 11:33
I've made sure the mouse and the pad is clean. It even works better on my desktop with out a pad than it does with the black rocketfish mouse pad. I had to extend the usb cable, could that be the problem?
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# RE: RE: RE: same mouse pad, but I have problemsRob 2011-03-03 12:59
I have mine plugged into my G19 keyboard then an extension cable from my keyboard to the computer so I don't think that would be the issue. You could always try and remove the extension cable briefly to see if you get any change. One more idea make sure your mouse is flat on the surface when you are moving it around. I have read that if you over adjust it it may not sit flat and then of course not perform well.

As far a cleaning when my lags (or gets stuck) I don't see ANY dirt/dust at all but after the compressed air blow all is fine.
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: same mouse pad, but I have problemsDoug 2011-03-03 13:21
Thanks for your help, I will give it a try
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# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: same mouse pad, but I have problemsScott 2011-03-03 14:05
Save yourself some headaches and just RMA it. How good is a mouse that will only work on a small number of surfaces? Mine was a total fail on an Icemat and poor tracking on the Rocketfish. How many surfaces does it have to fail on before you call it a "fail"? Two was enough for me.

BTW, it worked fine on my desk (wooden) too.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseScott 2010-10-10 19:23
On the Rocketfish, the cursor skips as I move the mouse across my desktop. It happens on both sides but happens more frequently on the "speed" side.

When I first installed the mouse, I thought it was DOA. I was using my Icemat that I've used for the last five years, and on that surface the Rat 7 doesn't work at all (except for the mouse buttons) for a full 30 seconds or so after boot, and when it finally does respond, it tracks poorly.

I tried uninstalling/reinstalling both the drivers and the software. No joy.

From the complete failure most see on the Icemat, to the "it doesn't work on shiny black surfaces" seen by others, it's clear the problem lies with the laser. Yours works on one side and not on the other. That just means yours sucks less than mine, but it's still defective if it doesn't work on both sides of a mouse that vitually every other mouse on the market works just fine with.
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# RAT7 Sensitivity IssueBrandon 2010-11-05 05:46
Why I haven't heard of anybody complaining about this issue is beyond me...
I'm using a gray mouse pad, but it doesn't matter what I use because it does it on any surface.
The issue is that the cursor moves by itself when there is sound being played. Especially bass, and especially the louder it gets. I am not talking about extremes here, just moderate levels. The higher the DPI setting, the worse it gets. It even does it when I double click the mouse WITHOUT moving the mouse. Try double clicking a folder while the cursor moves a bit and you'll see how annoying that is. I've never had a mouse do any of this! It is not me. It is the mouse.

I've noticed it works a bit better with the double click issue when the mouse is on my black desk, but still horrible when any sound is causing minor vibration. The desk is not moving, the mouse is not moving. But the cursor is.. WTF?
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# RE: RAT7 Sensitivity IssueRob 2010-11-05 06:09
I have had the mouse for months and I don't have this issue (and I have a big Sub woofer under my desk.) Perhaps the mouse is not sitting perfectly flat. Check to see that you did not make a maniacal adjustment where the mouse is not flat on the desk. I did see a video a while ago where this could happen if the an adjust is made to the extreme.
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# RE: RAT7 Sensitivity Issuekristoffach 2012-02-05 10:23
I've had the same problem as Brandon, even went as far as using tape to fixate the laser at a static point to test it. It seems as the laser unit itself is poorly attached on some units causing sound vibrations to resonate in the sensor unit causing unwanted cursor movement.

I love this mouse though so that's why I'm going to see if the shop I bought it from can either fix it or let me get a new one.
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# It isn't 100$ plus mouse pads issuesBegrudged buyer 2010-11-08 13:05
Ok for one it is only 80$ not 100$. and why people seem to be complaining about some mouse mats not working here but like nowhere else except for some rare cases were people say not to use with a black or shiny black pad or surface. This confuses me because i would seriuosly like to buy it. and i have a white hard surface mouse pad from razer that was 30$ and i really like.
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# RE: It isn't 100$ plus mouse pads issuesOlin Coles 2010-11-08 13:09
Don't you think it's possible the price dropped a few dollars in the last three months since this review was published? Also, what reason would some many of our readers have to begin claiming this product has issues? Sometimes the answer is right in front of you.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming Mousezhemis 2010-12-18 15:33
Alot of complaints about the mouse behaving erratically have to do with the surface! Plain and simple. I don't have this mouse but have been the frustrated owner of laser mice in the past. The frustration ends with the right surface. My correct surface is currently a 5$ black plastic pad (the kind you peel the back and stick somewhere) which is permanently glued to a flat piece of plastic. It's about 7x7" and is the only thing in my household that I found worked with my current mouse. I spent over a month hating my mouse until I found the proper surface. Note, as well lighting onto the surface can affect it. I have a desklamp I never use, but occasionally I will turn it on and when I do my mouse has a delayed sync if I lift it. Again, this isn't the mouse, it's the surface and in those cases, light reflecting off it. 99.9% of problems can be resolved upon finding the right surface for the mouse. I didn't listen to 'laser mouse reviews' which told me which surface to use because they all contradicted each other. Experiment with the mouse on different surfaces and for the love of all that is holy MAKE SURE IT"S 100% FLAT!! NO EXCEPTIONS!
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# andyandrew buckland 2010-12-27 06:57
we can't not rating this mouse based on how it reacts with the surface it acts the worst with. it may be inconvenient, but finding a compatible mouse pad WILL fix the skipping issue....i have had the rat7 for a couple of weeks and after buying a white pad from razer it works like a charm. just sit back and enjoy the new design, half the point of this mouse.
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# Double click when clicking once.VESR 2010-12-28 11:16
First off, let me say that I really like this mouse. I'm a casual gamer, nothing too serious, but I do spend a lot of time using the mouse. This is the first mouse I've found that is comfortable to hold, the adjustments are probably wasted for many - I for one really like them.

What bothers me is that lately (mouse is about 2-3 months old) any single click with the left mouse button results in a double click. This is often bad. Marking text is next to impossible (manually possible, so no biggie). Some games got different abilities on one or two clicks (mark/attack). Rotating camera angel ingame result in losing target. Most of all, it's annoying as it shouldn't be like this.
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# RE: Double click when clicking once.Mat 2011-01-08 19:52
It might be a driver issue, or yours may be defective. This is not a sensor related problem. I had a friend who had one of those cheap mouses that come with computers, and his mouse was doing the same thing.
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# RE: RE: Double click when clicking once.VESR 2011-01-09 01:51
It may very well be software related. I am also unable to use the program function (can't recall the correct name) in the setup part. I have never used that before so I do not miss it. I have read a review where they stated that this was a problem with one of their test machines (PC Gamer - RAT-5).

It seems that it works properly if I click slow enough. Holding the mouse button down for a moment "skips" the second click.
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# Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseCsaba 2010-12-29 11:21
I own this mouse for work, not for gaming, as my hands are on the larger side and I was experiencing wrist pains with most regular mice. When I saw the RAT7 and how adjustable it was I knew I had to have it. I will say that I no longer have the wrist issues and after adjusting the mouse it fits perfectly in my hand. It worked fine for about 2-3 months and then I started having the tracking issues, *without* picking it up off the desk. It's acting like the mice of old (ball mice) when dust and dirt would get stuck on the ball and the ball would no longer roll. It is extremely frustrating and am wondering how a mouse that costs this much can become defective in less than 3 months? As I mentioned, it worked fine for about 2 months and then it started having the tracking issues, so it's not the surface. But just to be sure I've tried white, dark, glossy, non glossy and the issue still persists. I would say a 7/10 is a valid rating because of the normal tracking issues, not because of the z-axis problems.
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# Mad Catz fixing this?Mat 2011-01-08 20:55
This is the Engadget review.
##engadget.com/2010/10/21/exclusive-mad-catz-cyborg-rat-9-review/

They mentioned that RAT 9 has a filter which fixes the z-tracking problem, and they said that Mad Catz said that(sorry for bad wording) new RAT 7's will also have this fix. That review was posted in October, so I think the new RAT 7's should be out by now. I noticed that RAT 7, 9 and 3 are all unavailable on newegg, does that mean they are switching to the new batch?
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# RE: Mad Catz fixing this?Scott 2011-01-09 11:30
" I noticed that RAT 7, 9 and 3 are all unavailable on newegg, does that mean they are switching to the new batch?"

It probably means they are tired of issuing RMAs.
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# Tracking issuesEnalung 2011-08-03 11:04
I make use of a rocketfish mousepad. It's a dual surface rigid mouse pad with an aluminum core and a black anodised aluminum surface. On the speed side, the mouse is completly unable to track mouvement. On the controll side, it can read the surface, but it will often skip in unpredictable ways.
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# RE: Tracking issuesEnalung 2011-08-03 11:07
Just a quick sidenote, this is a different problem then the reported mouse lifting. I do not lift the mouse during the course of normal gameplay, the only exeption to that being to change battery or reposition once in a blue moon.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseAndy9999 2012-01-27 02:06
Well, I have a RAT9 and now I was so stupid to buy a RAT7 (in white). I somehow thought the new RAT7 would perform better without the tracking issues but it is the same. As soon as there is some minor vibration the cursor starts moving all over the place. They should spend more money on the product itself than on the marketing (getting people to write about it, ads and such). If this twin eye sensor is known to be such a crappy # load why do the companies all use them??? I don*t get it. Am really disappointed. I think the hype they created will eventually turn back on them in the form of people never buying RATs again (at least me).
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming MouseAndy9999 2012-01-27 02:08
By the way. I forgot to mention one thing. The new and white RAT7 has a stuck thumbwheel right away. I did read that I am not the only one having that problem with a new mouse. This seems to be really a cheap piece of plastic (bad manfufacturered, bad QA).
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# Negative ReviewBrandon 2012-02-16 05:09
I've read what others have said. This is what I say and I've had the RAT 7 since it came out. I don't care what people say about bragging how they don't have to lift their mouse because they're so perfect, the fact is. I don't ever want to move my mouse more than an inch of the center of my comfort zone. If I have to lift it slightly to get it back to the center, especially after doing a 360 turn, I expect not to have a delay or shaky response.
The fact that I had to go out and buy a special super thin black mouse pad for the mouse to work BETTER, not properly, was annoying.
The fact that I can't have my Logitech gaming speakers up too loud or else my mouse will wiggle everywhere on things like explosions, hello FRAGs!
The fact that when I use any of my Logitech laser mice I have much better results in every department except for the design quality.
I realize that this mouse is nice, but seriously, it's the damn laser on it that is way too sensitive and delayed after returning from a lift.
There is no reason so argue with anyone, there's no reason why I should change anything I'm doing to resolve it, it should just work. If I put a Logitech laser inside the RAT 7. IT WOULD BE PROBLEM SOLVED!
I will guarantee that the people from Mad Catz will all agree that their device has issues, whether they would tell you that or not. It's a fact.
Anyone wanna buy a RAT 7? Best mouse out there!
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# Mode button LED remain RED.Alex 2013-03-01 04:10
Hi guys.
Any days ago I've bought the Contagion edition of Rat 7.
When I've connected at my Pc, all works good up to the shutdown.
The day after, I've turned on my Pc and the LED of the mode button, start in red, but at first press, remain red, second press, turns off and third press return to red.
I remember that first day, start in red, then become blue and then purple.
I've tryed to install the drivers, then to unistall them, to format my Pc and reinstall only the necessary to try the mouse but nothing...the led remain RED. :|
Does anyone know how can I solve this problem ?
This mouse is enough expensive and I want that all the option working good.
I've tryed to write to the support of MadCatz/Cyborg but I haven't received one answer about.
Hope that you can help me.
Thanks in advance.
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# Duranility?Tannor 2013-03-03 18:43
This mouse does not last long, the red precision button on the side is worn out after 2 weeks no matter how soft or hard you hold it in, it releases on its own causing unexpected increas and decrease in cursor speed (dpi), making a jumpy mouse for fps and a useless shift click for for games such as diablo3. Thumb rest on the side just keeps swiveling inwards now when ever you press one of the 3 buttons on the side, it does not lock properly when tightend. This mouse was good and i had great fun with it...for 2 weeks which turned out to be its effective life span :( not impressed at all
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# Mad Catz Rat 7 gaming mouseDan 2013-06-07 13:45
As I read in many reviews the Rat 7 was supposed to be a good gaming mouse. Not long after buying it I noticed that the tracking well was a little off. I wrote that up to being a new mouse and I was not used to it.

Two month's later and still the same. Sometimes the X axis or the y axis would not work at all or it would just freeze.

I contacted Mad Catz and they asked how old my mouse was I said 2 months and they said they could fix it but because it was out of WARRANTY I would have to assume all the costs,including shipping....oh and yeah I would be without a mouse for about two weeks.

This issue is well known to Catz and is in fact a design issue.Dealing with their customer service was a nightmare. Two tickets later and still no satisfactory service.I asked for an exchange as it is a design problem but I as told very politely no as it would establish that the fault is on their end then they would have to exchange all same types of mouse with said problem.

I will never ever buy another product of theirs again..They make a lot of high end junk..

Sorry I nothing good to say...wait yes I do,it was well packaged. Thats it.
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# RE: Mad Catz Cyborg RAT-7 Laser Gaming Mouselost faith in Rat 2013-11-13 18:42
3 different RAT7's 3 different problems...

1st one (gen 1, 5600 dpi) had y-axis tracking issues regardless of surface, and resync problems, sensor eventually died.
2nd one (next gen 6400 DPI) mouse buttons always double-clicked on single press, returned for replacement.

3rd one worked fine for 2 minutes, then would disconnect from USB every 30 seconds (lights on mouse go out, system beep, reconnect, disconnect)
Got so fustrated, I unplugged the mouse and ripped out the usb cord.

It now sits on my bookshelf as a reminder to never buy one again.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the design and feel of the mouse. The customizations were exquisite, and the drivers never presented a problem for me, it was the lack of quality parts that has soured me to this product.

A prime example of when good designs meet bad accounting/manufacturing.
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# RAT 7 sucksPaul 2014-01-02 15:24
I have the mouse and I am on my second one because I thought there was something wrong with the first one. This thing tracks like crap. Stay AWAY!!!
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