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Written by Bruce Normann   
Friday, 05 November 2010
Table of Contents: Page Index
MSI R6870 Radeon HD 6870 Video Card
AMD Radeon HD 6870 GPU Features
Closer Look: MSI R6870
MSI R6870 Detailed Features
Video Card Testing Methodology
DX10: 3DMark Vantage
DX10: Crysis
DX11: Aliens vs. Predator
DX11: Battlefield: Bad Company 2
DX11: DiRT-2 Demo
DX11: H.A.W.X. 2
DX11: Lost Planet 2
DX9 SSAO: Mafia II
DX11: Unigine Heaven 2.1
MSI R6870 Temperatures
VGA Power Consumption
AMD Radeon HD 6870 Final Thoughts
MSI R6870 Conclusion

AMD Radeon HD 6870 Final Thoughts

Every now and then, companies manage to pull a rabbit out of a hat. I don't know exactly how they do it, or else I'd be rich and famous, but I believe its equal parts chance and effort. I know that runs counter to the words of the great Thomas Edison, who certainly pulled out a few rabbits in his day. As a product reviewer, nothing makes us happier than having said rabbit delivered to our door via FedEx. It's great when you can be a material witness to the impossible dream. It's exciting, and it's contagious; everyone wants in on the act. Every time I get a new product to evaluate, I ask myself if this thing looks like a rabbit or a tortoise. Sorry to mix my metaphors, but a great deal of progress is also made by products that move down the playing field ten yards at a time. I have a lot of respect for those products because sometimes it's tougher to make the next first down than it is to make a touchdown.

By now, the story is perfectly crystallized: Barts, as in St. Barts, is an incremental product. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) failed to deliver the 32nm technology node to its customers on time, and at some point they just gave up and decided to skip it altogether, leaving some major customers with a real problem on their hands. The holiday buying season waits for no man, so AMD punted and took what they knew about the 40nm fabrication process back to the drawing board. They had used very conservative design rules for their Radeon HD 5xxx series of GPUs, and with one year of production under their belt they knew where they could stretch the rules a bit and get away with it. They also knew that they had left a gaping hole in their product line at the upper end of the mid-market. So, they bit the bullet and renumbered the product line to slot some new cards in the gap that the HD 5830 had failed to fill. Just like that, the HD 6870 was created, or at least the concept for it.

As I said in my reviews of the GTX460, that chip is really comparable to an HD 5850 from a technology standpoint, and NVIDIA chose to sell it at a price point that was occupied by a lesser model, the HD 5830. Sounds like a good marketing plan, especially since every Cypress-based card and every GF104-based card share the same cost structure. That cost is based strictly on the technology node, the manufacturing platform used to produce it, and the size of the die. Sure, you can add or subtract features, but the fundamental production costs are comparable for both chips, even if the performance is not. At the time I thought, "All ATI needs to do is lower prices on their midrange cards, and the compelling case of the GTX460 just goes away." Well, AMD has gone one better. Not only have they reduced the selling price for 5850-class performance, they've also reduced their production costs by achieving the same level of performance with a GPU die size that's about 30% smaller than a Cypress or GF104.


When NVIDIA designed the GTX460 reference card, they went for the simplest design and lowest part count in order to keep the cost down. I don't see the same thinking with the Radeon HD 6870. To me, it looks more like a "halo" product; one that is meant to impress. I am definitely NOT the marketing guy, but I thought that role was reserved for the high-end product line. It's still early days, and we'll have to see if and when the price drops come, and by how much. Once the non-reference cards come out, I think we'll see some serious price drops. The GPU itself has a 30% cost advantage over the Cypress part, but the rest of the HD 6870 reference design hasn't been pared down to match it. The other thing that hurts the HD 6870 is the current lack of a widespread capability for voltage adjustments. Without it, the Barts GPU is running very close to its speed limit, and there seems to be little room available for overclocking. The GTX460 came out of the gate with full voltage adjustments, and MSI was leading the OC way, even without an I2C-capable PWM controller on board. I know there's at least one third-party voltage control app that works with the HD 6870, and I've also seen overclocking results way above 1.0 GHz with water cooling. So, there is probably some untapped potential here to convincingly outperform the crowd of overclocked GTX460s that are nipping at its heels. I'm betting that the HD 6870 will get some legs once the voltages are unlocked. Until then, it's not really a fair fight.



# comentarioalcides juan 2010-11-04 21:13
ya adquiri una placa de video athis muy buena placa gracias por mantenerme informado me gustan mucho los productos que me muestran, gracias
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# You're welcome!Olin Coles 2010-11-04 21:42
Me alegro de que podría ayudarle a hacer una compra informada.
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# ThanksRealNeil 2010-11-05 06:30
Good review. My time for buying parts and building my next system is fast approaching and it will probably have to do me, for a long time. Reviews are what help us to make smarter decisions when we spend our money. While the cost of two GTX460's is not resoundingly expensive for most, it represents a lot for me. (I'm on a disabled Pension) I didn't want to buy the 1GB GTX460 pair of cards without knowing more about the latest ATI offerings. With your help I feel that I can make a final decision now and not blow it. I appreciate it too.
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# Impressive.Crazy 2010-11-29 22:31
Great Review! Thanks so much. I'v been doing some research for my next big build and I really needed to find a graphics card that fit my needs and this is wonderful especially considering the price. Although I do wish it had more for the voltage controls.
Now I just have to decide whether to go with this or wait until the Caymans come out. They just got pushed back again tho... from end of November to mid December. =/

Once again, Great review!!! Really in depth and exactly what I was looking for.

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