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Written by Hank Tolman   
Wednesday, 05 June 2013
Table of Contents: Page Index
AMD A10-6800K APU Richland Processor
Next Generation A-Series APUs
AMD FM2 Chipsets - A85X, A75, A55
APU Wireless and Dual Graphics Capabilities
Features and Specifications
Processor Testing Methodology
AIDA64 Extreme Edition Tests
PCMark 7 Tests
CINEBENCH 11.5
SiSoft Sandra 2013
DX11 Performance
AMD A10-6800K Overclocking
Richland Final Thoughts
AMD A10-6800K Conclusion

Next Generation A-Series APUs

AMD has experienced a lot of success in their APU category since its inception in 2011, especially in the mobility space. With their low price and excellent graphics performance, APUs are great for laptops. Unfortunately, AMD hasn't had much success breaking into the tablet market with their APUs. APUs are also great for entry level systems. They provide processing power on par with Intel CPUs of the same price range, while providing a much superior level of graphics performance. Since the release of the APU, AMD has sat solidly on top of the entry level market. When the second generation of APUs, codenamed Trinity, was released, that position was solidified. For the next generation, AMD's Richland processors don't do much in terms of reinventing.

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Richland uses the now tested and better-yielding Trinity die and improves on it. The turbo charged Piledriver cores in the Richland APUs have between 2 and 4 cores and have been updated to support the latest ISA instructions like FMA4, AVX, AES, and XOP. In fact, during testing, I was especially impressed by the ability of the A10 APUs in AES encryption tests. The A10 APUs also include 2MB of L2 cache per module (one module = two cores) and higher maximum Turbo frequencies. The A10-6800K can turbo up to 4.4GHz, 200MHz faster than the previous flagship A10-5800K. Of course, the K at the end of the model means that the clock speed is unlocked and can be overclocked more easily.

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The real difference in the Richland APUs, however, lies not in the CPU, but in the GPU. The new APUs include AMD Radeon HD 8000 series GPU cores. On the A10-6800K, that means a Radeon HD 8670D with 384 Radeon Cores. The GPU clockspeed is 844MHz and the GPU supports up to 8x anti-aliasing and 16x anisotropic filtering, although let's not get ahead of ourselves. It is pretty unlikely that those levels of AA and AF will be used in most games with the A10-6800K and no discrete GPU. The 8670D GPU also supports AMD Eyefinity 3+1 and Display Port 1.2, if motherboard manufacturers play along. They'll need to if you plan on using that +1 monitor, since it requires a daisy chained Display Port connection.

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The other upgrades to the next generation of APUs can be found in the AMD Turbo Core technology. Better yield means stronger processors that can withstand higher clock frequencies and higher voltage levels. That is the main reason for the higher turbo clocks. The new Turbo Cores are also "Temperature Smart", which I found out means they shutdown a lot more quickly when trying to overclock. The Turbo Core also includes new bottleneck detect algorithms which, hypothetically, would allow the Turbo Core to be more efficient.

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Another interesting feature of the new generation of APUs is that they fit into existing FM2 motherboards. That wasn't the case when AMD upgraded from the first generation of APUs to the second generation. This time, though, you won't have to upgrade everything at once. You will want to flash your BIOS to the latest version. You can also consider upgrading your RAM, since the Richland APUs support RAM speeds up to DDR3 2133MHz.



 

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# about the RAMjebusricecakes 2013-06-04 23:12
>"Generally speaking, though, increased RAM speed doesn't amount to more than a couple of FPS difference."

this was proven false with APUs which can gain as much as a 20-25% boost from 1866 RAM over 1600 and the same with 1600 over 1333 which means which means if used bishock infinite would most likely have come in at a low but very much playable 25 FPS.

i only felt the need to point this out because anyone who is considering these new APU should be aware that RAM speed makes a much bigger difference than it does with any other setup.
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# About the RAMHank 2013-06-05 06:47
Well, according to AMD's own testing, increasing RAM speed from 1600MHz to 1866MHz or from 1866MHz to 2133MHz results can result in FPS increases of 9 to 10%. That's a far cry from 20-25% and translates to a couple of FPS.

2133Mhz 1866Mhz 1600Mhz

Devil May Cry

1080p, Ultra, all settings max 41.351 38.051 35.691

Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon
1080p, DX11, med, low post fx, low shadows 30 26 24.932

Bioshock Infinite
1080p, low preset 31.2 27.9 25.56

Tomb Raider
1080p, low preset, texture quality normal 42.9 38.7 36

Sometimes the FPS gains are up to 4 or 5 FPS. So I should have said a few FPS difference rather than a couple. Either way, I didn't have any 2133MHz RAM on hand to test with.
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# Memory speed mattersFasterMemoryPlease 2013-06-05 06:54
The biggest advantage of Richland over Trinity is support for DDR3-2133. It sounds like AMD should have included more information when sending these chips out, because benching Richland on DDR3-1600 is a waste of time.
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# Hat tip from Hot Hardware reviewFasterMemoryPlease 2013-06-05 07:09
When paired with DDR3-1866 memory, the A10-6700 performs very much like the A10-5800K. The A10-6700 puts up somewhat better numbers due to its slightly higher-clocked CPU and GPU cores (3.7GHz / 4.3GHz / 844MHz vs. 3.8GHz / 4.2GHz / 800MHz), but the differences weren?t dramatic. The A10-6800K fares a bit better. Since AMD has qualified the A10-6800K for use with DDR3-2133MHz memory, and the APU is clocked at 4.1GHz (base) / 4.4GHz (Turbo) / 844MHz (GPU), its performance is better than any previous APU across the board.

#hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A106800K-and-A106700-Richland-APUs-Tested/?page=11
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# RE: Hat tip from Hot Hardware reviewHank 2013-06-05 11:56
I'm a little confused. Of course the A10-6800K has better performance than any other APU across the board. That was never in question, and that is true regardless of the RAM speed.

Those numbers I posted above were from AMD's own testing and not one of those tests shows a performance increase of more than 6.9 FPS between the DDR3-1600MHz RAM and the DDR3-2133MHz RAM.

If there are any lingering doubts, the answer is yes, 2133MHz RAM will increase performance for the A10-6800K, but not dramatically enough to call testing with DDR3-1600MHz RAM a waste of time.
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# RE: about the RAMOlin Coles 2013-06-05 07:10
It's easy to claim "this was proven false" in a comment. It's much harder to prove the claim is true. It would be helpful to link to a report from a reputable source.
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# OCflanker 2013-06-05 01:47
What?! Your OC is totally wrong. AMD is not Intel as HK SOI is other. You can use without problems 1.5V for 24/7 at 15h Family. 1.378V is for AMD nothing, some chips has this voltage as VID
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# RE: OCHank 2013-06-05 06:49
My OC is not wrong. 1.3875v is not high for AMD, however, whenever I increased voltage above that, the system crashed within seconds. I couldn't increase it above 1.3875v.
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# Two QuestionsKrisnatharok 2013-06-05 03:21
1. Why did you pick two very new games that still are causing Nvidia/AMD to release regular driver updates to increase performance? Would it not have been better to use some games that have been out a bit longer, say Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, or Far Cry 3?

2. What is the performance of matching the APU + discrete GPU against an i3 or i5 + with the same discrete GPU? The iGPU is great, but most gamers are going to wonder if they can recommend the A10-6800K as a viable alternative to the i3-3225/i5-3570K/4670K as a gaming CPU with single GPU. With the ability to run two GPUs in x8/x8, it would be nice to see Crossfire tests with two discrete GPUs, if that is possible...

Thanks,
Kris
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# RE: Two QuestionsHank 2013-06-05 07:03
I chose new games because those will be the considerations of someone looking to purchase a new APU or a new PC. If they needed a new APU or new PC to play BF3, they would have looked at buying when BF3 was new. I also used those games because they are the games AMD used in their testing, albeit with much higher results that I achieved. Either way, any of those games would have to be played on the very lowest settings to be playable with the APUs. Of course, they wouldn't be playable at all on the Intel IGPs.

As for your second question, I would have loved to run some CrossfireX tests. Unfortunately, the Richland APUs only support CFX up to Radeon HD 6670. I didn't have a 6670, 6570, or 6470 on hand to test with. I tried to use a 7790 and a 7850, but they don't work. As for using two discrete GPUs, those results aren't going to factor in the APU in any measurable way. You'd get close to the same results regardless of the setup with two discrete GPUs in CFX. I think I showed pretty well that, when paired with a Radeon HD 7850 or a GTX 660Ti, the A10-6800K is more than viable as a gaming CPU. Those scores will be consistent with any CPU.
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# RE: RE: Two QuestionsKrisnatharok 2013-06-05 11:05
Hank,

Firstly, thank you for the getback!

So if I understand you correctly, even though they support x8/x8 configs, APUs do not support disabling the iGPU and running, say, two 7850s or 660 Ti's?

I am wondering how the APU compares directly to the i3-3225 and i5-3570K/4670K as *just* a gaming CPU, where a discrete card will be present and the iGPU will not be utilized for gaming.

A game like Supreme Commander, with lots of units on screen, would be a great way to test the CPU's capability in the game.
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# RE: RE: RE: Two QuestionsHank 2013-06-05 11:50
Krisnatharok,

You can definitely use two video cards in CF or SLI configuration in an FM2 motherboard and bypass using the IGP altogether. My point was that, for nearly all high-end games, the CPU wouldn't make a significant difference in that case. The FPS using an A10-6800K would be about the same as if you were using an i5-4670K or even an i7-4770K. With CPU intensive games, of which there are a few, the faster CPU would obviously provide better performance. I ran tests using the GTX 660Ti as the sole GPU and the on both the i3-3220 machine and the A10-6800K machine, the actual gaming performance was always within 3%, generally considered to be the margin of error.
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# DnaAngelDnaAngel 2013-06-05 04:21
My answer to the comment question: "How often do you upgrade your PC?". For my that depends on where the benchmarks are at, and what technology's are presenting themselves. On average every 3-4 years, but if I built an over the top system maybe 4-5.

I have little experience with the desktop APU's, as most of my customers rarely ask for those. I can however comment on the A10 in laptops. I bought a Trinity (A10-4600m) based laptop for school around this time last year and I was floored at the graphics performance. AMD is a clear winner if your shopping for a laptop on a budget and dont want or cant afford one with a discrete GPU in it. I am partial to Intel/Nvidia in the desktop market, but next time Im on the market for a Laptop without a discrete GPU, I know what I will be getting.
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# RE: AMD A10-6800K APU Richland ProcessorSi 2013-06-05 05:41
Here is a youtube link showing 3dmark11 and windows index rating for the 4770k 3.5ghz Haswell. Not overclocked.

This is around 10-30fps slower than the 6800k in most games. And almost twice the price!!

Youtube link:
#youtu.be/k7Yo2A__1Xw
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# APU's like fast DRAMFastersticks 2013-06-05 10:08
The Trinity 5800's had good gains in FPS going from 1600 to 1866 to 2133 and even more to 2400 as demonstated in numerous reviews i.e.

#hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46073-amd-a10-5800k-trinity-needs-faster-ram/?page=3

and many more

See no reason why the 6800 shouldn't also
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# RE: AMD A10-6800K APU Richland ProcessorTerrance Earle 2013-06-16 19:27
This review is bull#. I've played all those games on my Lanbox, with just the iGPU 7660D. My FPS for all those games were well over 30fps and the settings were medium-high. 1600x900. The newer one should perform margainly better. This review is fake and bought for by Intel.
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# Another glimmering visitorOlin Coles 2013-06-16 21:55
I'm going to keep your comment online, so that everyone who visits this article can see exactly how ignorant Terrance Earle () truly is. I'm not even going to tell you why your comment is so full of poor comparison and incomprehension, but I'll give you a hint: 44%.
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